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Ancient Bronze Age symbol on the mountain above Teotihuacan

Ancient Bronze Age symbol on the mountain above Teotihuacan

Long forgotten slide of a Great Sun glyph

While wandering around the stone ruins on the top of Cerro Gordo, north of Teotihuacan,  I took color slides of several rock carvings.  However, I never really looked again at the slide immediately to the right, after first glancing at it in a slide viewer in 1970.  It was never used in any of my lectures on Mesoamerican architecture, during the subsequent decades. It didn’t look very “Mesoamerican” and seemed to have nothing to do with architecture.  There it sat in the slide box, forgotten, until just recently.

You can thank Georgia Tech architecture professors,  Ike Saporta and Julian Harris, for me having all those precious images of Mesoamerican civilization that you never see in videos or in books.  Ike was also president of the Atlanta Archaeological Society and hammered into my head the directive that I document EVERYTHING I encountered . . . not just what interested me.  Julian was the architect for the Etowah Mounds Museum and also a professional sculptor.  In writing, he requested that I photograph as many glyphs and motifs as possible.  He often sculptured traditional Creek motifs to place on his buildings.  Copies of all my slides were to be held by the Georgia Tech Library.


Someone really, really didn’t like whoever the Great Sun symbol stood.  The petroglyph had been torn from the wall of a building and severely defaced.  In fact,  all of the stone ruins near where archaeologists are working now, showed signs of violent destruction.  Archaeologists had to dig down to an earlier phase of the structure or building complex to get to walls that had not been torn asunder. 

Although the other fragments of rock carvings on Cerro Gordo look more “Mesoamerican,”  they still do not look like those in the valley above.  My guess is that the rock carving above dates from the time of the Olmec Civilization.  Note that the rock has an Olmec Civilization- Maya number on the upper right-hand corner.  In fact, I believe that it is safe to say that we are looking at an early form of their writing system. This stone slab was also torn from a building an broken up, but there were no attempts to gouge out the imagery.

2018 archaeological dig on the western crest of Cerro Gordo


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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.



    Richard, Do you know that those 3 pyramids are a 1-2 design (1 offset from the other 2)? like pointing your index finger at the “Pleiades”. That sign is associated with Halloween of the Celtics as it is directly above England during that time of the year. What does the Pleiades sign mean for the Creek peoples? I don’t know when the so called Olmecs arrived in Mexico but by lore arrived by boats…perhaps from Ohio where there is a Great serpent earthwork (200 BC) that is like the ones found in Scotland and England. I don’t know when those were built but they do precede the one in Ohio and the Giant sized people built one in Florida as well?

    • I don’t know what the Pleiades symbol is for the Creeks. There was so much lost during the Trail of Tears period. However, the sun, moon and Venus symbol for the Creeks is the same as the Mayas.

    • The people, who started the Olmec Civilization were not Olmecs, but arrived by boat around 1500 BC.


        Richard, Thanks for the reply. That sign means many different things to different peoples. To me it’s a reminder That Michael The Angle cast down that “old dragon” to the Earth. To the Nephilim it would have some meaning as well as they are related to the cast down angles. Revelation 12
        “7 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not, neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, who deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

        • Well, there is no doubt about a bunch of demon running around the world these days!


    Amazing photos, thanks


    That Maya Royal Sun glyph at Palenque Chiapas…. seems like I recognize it.

    Google > “Cretan Hieroglyphs” and check out the list of Minoan glyphs on the right. They were in common use from 1800BC onwards in addition to Linear A. Zoom into number 110 just above the cresent moons.



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