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Image: The Creek Writing System in the 1700s!!!

Image: The Creek Writing System in the 1700s!!!

 

In doing research on Sequoyah’s syllabary,  I stumbled upon this document that described it as an example of the Creek writing system in the 1700s.  The author did not know what the writing meant, but said that it was a Creek Indian document in Georgia from the mid-1700s.  That means it is a example of Creek writing, which predates the Sequoyah syllabary by many decades.   In fact, Sequoyah may have developed his system from this system.  His mother’s names were African (or Gullah) and Creek.  They had no meaning in Cherokee.

The writing system presented by Chikili to the leaders of Savannah on June 7, 1735 was described as “peculiar red and black characters unlike any writing system we have seen elsewhere in the world.”  What we see here may be that system , a derivation of it or something entirely different.  Without more information, it is hard to make a call.

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

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  1. stuhar@onlymyemail.com'

    I’ll take a look at it.
    Looks like a consonant-vowel syllabary with compound letters that reads left to right.
    A couple of letters look Phoenician, which might make the language Finnish.

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    • It looks a lot like the early Iberian scripts that were based on Phoenician. NOW I told y’all things were REALLY complex here in the Southeast. There is no simple explanation of anything. It is like Rocky Road ice scream.

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  2. Reillyranch@aol.com'

    Great artical, can’t wait to hear more about this. Ed

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  3. Wmpfantz@aol.com'

    The Creek writing symbols appear to be combinations of archaeic Sumero-Babylonian signs.
    Refer to sumerobabylonian00mercuoft.pdf p.3-12 (19-28) use archaeic first then assyrian to match.
    U. of Penn. has an excellent Sumerian dictionary online.

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    • They also strong resemble Iberian and Bronze Age Irish script. I know nothing about this inscription. It could be that someone copied it off a rock.

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  4. adamfreeman1861@gmail.com'

    According to The Scriptures, the Phoenicians made a deal with King David of Israel to build him ships and teach the Israelites to sail them. They went on journeys of up to 3 years, with some people thinking they actually mined tin in England to make brass for The Temple. Certain Phoenician/Hebrew artifacts have been found in America and while these Creek writings are not Paleo-Hebrew, they could easily be a Phoenician derivative?

    Life just keep getting ‘interestinger’ and ‘interestinger’. lol

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  5. stuhar@onlymyemail.com'

    Got it! The script is Tartessian, from southern Portugal. Here is a translation of the first line of text, which was written in Finnish.

    Line 1. To all, I speak now of the land first. Many champions were killed to find me, treasured men, men of iron, strong men. I was deceived by men, good-for-nothing men, twist in the trees men, men without much life, who will kill anything. Many eastern men, east of the great shore, desire to defeat me, to extend a war; men of money, men far away, men from the sea.

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    • That is real interesting. You know Uchees show up with SE Asian, Sammi, Orkney Island and SW pre-Gaelic Irish DNA, but very little East Asian.

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      • stuhar@onlymyemail.com'

        So you have any more information on the origin or whereabouts of the text?
        The image shows up on a Russian blog of languages, mis-identified as to both provenance and date.

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        • No! I am trying to find more information. I have found another image, labeled the Creek Alphabet. It appears to be simplified version of these older letters.

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  6. indfedntl@gmail.com'

    Dr Richard Thornton and Mr Stuart Harris. Do you all believe that this alphabet could just simply be ancient Native American and predates or at least is contemporary with the writings of the eastern peoples and societies.

    Lamar Perryman, Ani Coosa.

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    • I am not a PhD. I am an architect. The writing contains many symbols of early European writing systems, but I don’t know anything about the background of this image. It could be something carved on stone that someone assumed was Creek writing because it was in Georgia.

      What is the “Ani Coosa.” Ani is the Eastern Anatolian and Cherokee prefix for tribe or nation, but Coosa is the Anglicization of the Creek work Kvse. The Kvse people called themselve Kvsete, which was Anglicized to Kusate or Cusseta.

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    • stuhar@onlymyemail.com'

      Hello Lamar,
      Not sure I understand your question, but here goes.
      The alphabet, called Old European, originated so long ago that it can be found in Europe, Asia, Africa and America. The oldest I’ve found is 700,000 BC in Bavaria, inscribed on a bone handle by H. heidelbergensis, working out a scheme to build a corral to pen animals by tying posts and sapling rails together. They had our same build, about the same brain size, more of a sloping forehead, stronger brow, weaker chin, same teeth. Threw a spear by using a thong to gain mechanical advantage. You’d probably look twice in an elevator. Associated artifacts, especially ochre and microliths, lead back to China circa 1.3 million BC, a very advanced tool-making society. The microliths were glued into a wood or bone handle to make a sickle or a knife. An experimenter in Texas cut hay for 2000 hours without dulling the edges. The glue recipe was re-discovered by Lyn Wadley in South Africa about a dozen years ago: 3 parts sticky tree sap and one part powdered red ochre, Mix together, glue the stones into a slot in the handle, cure for 4 hours on low heat. Sets like epoxy. The greatest secret of all time.
      The oldest microliths I’ve found in the Americas are at Puebla Mexico, 250,000 years old. A skull is H. helmi, slim like us, same size brain, slightly more brow, slightly weaker chin, same teeth. They are still around, i saw one in a laundromat on the Big Island in Hawaii, took a photo. My friends said she came from the Philippines. Around 45,000 BC, a group traveled back to Europe and settled in England, Netherlands, France. Their trademark is a leaf-shaped blade. Two perfect skeletons were found in Spy Cave in Belgium.
      This particular script was localized to Tartessians in S. Portugal from 700 BC to about 530 BC, after which they disappeared and Tartessian writing and funerals stopped. Instead a related script Iberian continued in use until around 50 AD.
      No one knows where the Tartessians went after being chased out by Carthaginians, but as they supplied food to the Phoenicians next door at the copper mines of Spain, I assume they had access to navigators who knew how to cross the Atlantic. Jon Haskell showed my a photo of a Mayan figurine found near Atlanta whose headdress was entirely writing with the same script as the Creek document. Richard Thornton has traced several migrations from South America, Central America and the Mayans to SE US, so this seems the most likely scenario, the script preserved by Finnish speakers in the Americas. The same script occurs among southwest American petroglyphs, and decorates Zuni pottery until 1640. None of the males of these tribes were literate, so it had to be the females, perhaps captured in raids.
      The most recent Old European script I’ve found in the Americas is a petroglyph in Hawaii with a horse. These Hawaiian scribes appear to have come from the Queen Charlotte islands 2000 years ago, and before that, from Taiwan, where the same writing was used 6000 years ago.
      The Creek manuscript writing is very erudite, unusual words, clean, no errors in making the letters, the work of a professional scribe or very learned chief, a practiced orator, a joy to read.
      As to your question, I probably created new ones.
      Stuart Harris
      Eugene, OR

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  7. ah.all@inorbit.com'

    Once again, Richard, your research piques my curiosity. Of course, I get right on the ‘net, and dig around. Here, (http://www.anomalist.com/features/tartessus.html), among quite a number of significant historical references to long range sailing and mining Phoenicians, is even a reference straight out of Psalm 48, corroborating the translation provided by Stuart Harris. The anomalist.com article just gets more and more fascinating, down to the antlers.

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  8. p.glover@comcast.net'

    Great stuff Richard! You are such an inspiration. How would someone be able to get pics to you online. I believe I have found something here in Georgia that you would be interested in and would like you to take a look at it. Thank you!

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