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Irish Stone Circles Date from 2000 BC to 1100 BC

Irish Stone Circles Date from 2000 BC to 1100 BC

 

The Early and Middle Bronze Age stone circles in County Kerry are identical to those on mountain tops in Atlanta Area and Georgia Mountains. Piled stone structures identical to those found in mountains of Georgia and northeastern Alabama can be found throughout the western counties of Ireland. The petroglyphs in the Upper Etowah River Basin gold belt in Georgia are also identical to those in County Kerry.  The Deptford Culture, presumed the first manifestation of the Uchee People, began in Savannah, GA just as the Middle Bronze Age was ending in Ireland and Scandinavia.

During the late 1800s and throughout the 20th century, several archaeologists of national reputation found bronze weapons and tools in Northeast Georgia mounds and along the mouths of the Altamaha and Savannah Rivers, but assigned them to the “Spanish Colonial Period” to avoid controversy.  These archaeologists included James Ford and Joseph Caldwell of the Smithsonian Institute, Phillip E. Smith of Harvard University, plus Robert Wauchope, Antonio Waring and Arthur Kelly.  In 1939, archaeologist Robert Wauchope found a chain of Deptford Culture villages along the headwaters of the Chattahoochee River in Helen, GA and the Nacoochee Valley . . . stretching all the way south to a complex of cairns and a boat-shaped stone burial in Roswell, GA.  Many of the original Deptford Culture villages were repeatedly reoccupied for 2,800 years until the Creek Indians ceded their last lands to the United States in 1827.  Two large Deptford Mounds were destroyed in Helen, GA during its development as an “Alpine village” tourist attraction in the late 20th century.  Tragically,  Helen’s ancient history was far more significant than its brief late 19th century occupation by Swiss wine and cheese makers.

County Kerry, on the southwest tip of Ireland, contains Ireland’s highest mountains and the sites of very early gold mining activities. Genetic and archaeological evidence suggests that County Kerry was frequently visited and colonized by maritime civilizations from long distances away – perhaps as far east as Scythia and Armenia.  It should be noted that the Alec Mountain Stone Circle in the Nacoochee Valley of Georgia is slightly oval-shaped and aligned with the Winter Solstice Sunset.  Here is what the County Kerry Museum says about the stone circles in their region of Ireland: 

Stone Circles

At Loch Gur the stone circle may have originally being a circle of wooden posts. It should be noted that stone circles are not true circles but are more oval shaped. They were built between c.2000-c.1100 BC. They are not usually associated with burials. They are aligned with the sun. It could be possible that the builders of stone circles were seen as very powerful or magical people because some may have believed that the sun aligned with their circles rather than visa versa. In Ireland most of the stone circles are found in the Kerry and Cork areas.

Interestingly, Scottish stone circles are orientated on the moon .  They appear to ‘roll on’ the recumbent stone. It is obvious that these early people had a good knowledge of the skies. In Brittany there are huge stone circles and stone alignments. These people were sharing ideology with the Irish.

Stone Alignments

These date from the same period as stone circles (2000-1100 BC). These were aligned with the stars. There are over 170 stone rows in County Kerry. Over half of these consist of no more than 2 stones. The larger circles have 3-6 stones.  The largest complexes consists of piled stones, called cairns, arranged in the pattern of constellations.  The length of the row can vary from 2m-13m and the height of the stones can vary from 1m-4m. They are generally aligned in a NE/SW axis. Thus aligning them with the sectors of the heavens in which the sun rises and sets in the winter time and sharing a common orientation with the stone circles(??). The 600 or so slab-like monoliths in the County Kerry area have a similar orientation. They are generally found in upland areas of well drained soil, indicating that the builders of these may have been raising cattle and growing cereals.

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

18 Comments

  1. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, It’s difficult to overlook the Very same stone monuments on both sides of the Atlantic. Bronze swords, Broad swords statues in Temples in South Carolina and Earth works of the same designs indicates the Bronze age people of Eastern America / Europe lived on both sides of the Atlantic. They are most likely the remainder of the lost “Atlantis” people that built circular Seaports like Savanna’s and Tarshish in Spain. The circles within circles design of the Native people artwork of Georgia indicates a connection also with Bronze age Western Europe.
    The sounds associated with some of the Non-Germanic peoples of Europe tend to have “Ache” sound with their names. With the massive destructions of comets strikes….most of those Atlantic seashore people were wiped out over time… but some remained who had settled around the Gulf coast. Para-KU-IS (The Nobles name of the Apalachee could be a connection to both Peru and an ancient city called IS) Do you know what the sound “KU” would mean? Perhaps “KU” was associated with another ancient city or location. Thanks again for you articles.

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    • Actually, the original word was para kaushi, which means either Amazon Basin Elite or Ocean Elite. Both paras are pronounced pretty much the same except for the emphasis of syllables. The great town of Kusa got its name from the same last word.

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      • markveale@hotmail.com'

        Richard, Yes the Ku-sa town in Georgia could also be a connection word with Ti-wan-a-KU (Bolivia’s ancient pyramid people) and so would the word A-capa-che-Ke the Spaniards of 1540 wrote down for the people North of the Flint river area. So? were the Apalachee Nobles connecting themselves with both Peru and Bolivia pyramid building peoples that migrated with their name?
        The ancient city found in ruins by Mr. Bartram most likely was a copy of a pyramid design of Caral, Para (Peru) carbon dated to 3000BC. Lots of word connections you have found with both Peru /Bolivia and Bronze age Amorica (old Bronze age people word for Western Europe) Which indicates that the Para-kau-shi (Para: of the Ocean) (si: in French means yes) perhaps another Bronze age word connection… with people that lived across the Atlantic as well? And where would their Royal main city have been located? the midst point (between Europe and Peru) somewhere in the South perhaps? Thanks for your Great articles.

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    • edward.triple@hotmail.com'

      Mark and Richard,

      Speaking of similarities on both sides of the ocean… I don’t know if you gentlemen have seen this 1987 NOVA documentary “Secrets of the Lost Red Paint People” before but if you haven’t I highly recommend it. If you want to get to the heart of it quickly just start at 42:00 minutes in. The annual migrations of millions upon millions of great auks went from Iceland all the way down to the Carolinas by the way.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8EZGKS06_Q

      I have just sent the same link out to a friend of mine who is fully indoctrinated in textbook anthropology. Highly educated individual. He’s a great person and we argue all the time. This is going to crush him. My guess is that he is going to get very angry with me at first and I hope our friendship somehow survives. If the lights do come on for him I’ll be sending him here next.

      Poor bastard lol!

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        • edward.triple@hotmail.com'

          Update:

          At least he is still speaking to me lol!

          He is making the point that the use of red ochre occurred everywhere and at all times which is correct. He is saying that the information presented is 100 years old and is not current. Also he states that there is no connection to the later mound building cultures which occurred after the Woodland period which also may be correct. That was only speculated in the documentary if I remember correctly.

          The most important point he makes is that the North American skeletons are clearly native Americans while the European skeletons are distinctly European and have European DNA. I will need to check into that.

          So far so good.

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          • Not true. The world famous genetics lab at the University of Copenhagen last year determined that the humans who entered Scandinavia, northwestern Europe and the British Isles after the ice cap melted were from western Asia, but also carried some DNA from other parts of Asia. These people had black hair, skin darker than most Native Americans today and a mixture of gray and hazel eyes. There are no DNA test markers for the Southeastern Indians. Let us not forget that the Windover Burial Pond skeletons in Florida were found to be Europeans . . . as were a recently discovered burial pond on the Gulf Coast of Florida.

          • Edward.triple@hotmail.com'

            Richard,

            You know you are right, and more importantly to me, I know you are right.

            He did a Masters degree in this field and currently is researching the Algonquian mtDNA of our Great Lakes native peoples. X2a is his particular focus and he is working on getting these First Nations to consent to having their ancestors remains sequenced. It’s a tough sell these days as you know.

            So I couldn’t hope for a better person to bounce some of your and my ideas off of.

            I was going to send him photographs showing the cultural similarities between NA Archaic / Maritime Archaic and European meso/neolithic artifacts and he instructed me not to since he wasn’t even going to look at them lol!

            At 8 am this morning I came across a series of articles on paternal y DNA. Specifically R1b. It’s the dominant type of Algonquian natives in addition to Cherokees and some others and now everything is falling into place.

            Email coming soon. It will be a biggie.

      • markveale@hotmail.com'

        Thank you!!! Exactly proves that Sea fairing people migrated from this landmass over to Europe and built the Stonehenge’s. One of many peoples that over time lived by the Atlantic and built Sea ports. We should remember…Every so often… (Comets) falls from the sky and their civilization ends except for a few.

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  2. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Richard T., Having read through some of the recent and older posts and comments it seems like Atlantis is becoming more of a topic.
    I remember reading about the Santorini eruption and the flooding of Santorini which is theorized to be the origin of the Atlantis legend.
    Although in another post I have reconstructed the word / name Atlantis using the Gaelic language / dictionary, the theory of a volcanic eruption to be linked to Atlantis and its disappearance made me revisit my theory.
    ———

    In older posts there have been much talk about a link between Bronze age people and the Indus valley civilization. While searching for possible migration routes the searoute through the Indian Ocean came to mind. It is there where the atolls ;which are remnants of extinct volcanoes; are many.
    Out of curiosity I looked up the origin of the word ‘atoll’.

    Quotes from wikipedia page:

    “The word atoll comes from the Dhivehi (an Indo-Aryan language spoken on the Maldive Islands) word atholhu”

    “Its first recorded use in English was in 1625 as atollon”
    ———

    Could the word ‘atholhu’ be the origin of the word ‘ait'(àit) meaning ‘(small-) island’ in old English and ‘place’ in Gaelic?
    Were there earlier English or Gaelic word forms in use prior to the recorded English word ‘atollon’ in 1625; perhaps ‘aitollon’ or ‘atlon’, ‘aitlon’?

    Regarding the words ‘kaushi’, ‘ku-si’ or ‘ku’; when taking into account that there are letter changes in various languages and dialects; perhaps ’tis’/’Tis’ in Atlantis was originally spelled differently.

    For comparison one can take a look at the Polynesian language. In the Māori (online) dictionary ‘tipuna’ means ‘ancestor, grandparent, grantfather, grandmother’.
    In the eastern dialect ‘tipuna’ is ‘tupuna’, a letter change from ‘i’ to ‘u’ while in the Hawaiian language ‘tupuna’ is ‘kupuna’, a letter change from ‘t’ to ‘k’.

    Perhaps ’tis’/’Tis’ was or is ‘kus’/’Kus’ (Kusi/Kaushi?).
    Therefor ‘Atlantis’ could be ‘Atholhu Tis/Kus’, ‘A(i)tollon Tis/Kus’ or ‘A(i)tlon Tis/Kus’.

    This is just a theory and should NOT be taken as fact.
    ———

    Source – links:

    Oxford English Dictionary

    https://www.britannica.com/science/atoll

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoll

    http://maoridictionary.co.nz/word/8172 (tipuna / tupuna)

    Hawaiian Dictionary: Hawaiian-English, English Hawaiian – Revised and Enlarged Edition – 1986 – by Mary Kawena Pukui, Samuel H. Elbert (page 186; kupuna)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minoan_eruption (Santorini eruption)

    http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13332 (Post-eruptive flooding of Santorini caldera and implications for tsunami generation – 2016 – by P. Nomikou, T.H. Druitt etc.)

    http://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms13332/figures/1

    http://www.decadevolcano.net/santorini/figures/santorini_geography.gif (location Santorini)

    Diagram – the process of atoll formation:

    https://cdn.britannica.com/80/99280-050-15248A98.jpg

    https://cdn.britannica.com/32/93532-050-40436681.jpg

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    • markveale@hotmail.com'

      Urisahatu. I think you are on the right track in understanding that peoples do spell the same sounds in different ways and names do slightly change over time. You are a Very smart person!!! There are multiple cultures around the Earth that spoke of an advanced Kingdom that they are related to and also lore of arriving by boats. Clearly a Bronze age people, that had Seaports, and traded with many peoples around the Earth and knew advanced mathematical concepts. Someone might have known that when they named a city: Atlanta? Ait-làn-tìr (R sound perhaps changed to the S). Their were some Native people in East Florida that were called “A-IS”, M-is-s-is-sippi, Ch-is-ka (Bronze age people), old name for the Savanna river “Ch-is-ke”, Is-sa Native people…in other words lots of connections to IS sound.

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      • Edward.triple@hotmail.com'

        Atlanta was named after an early Governor’s daughter’s middle name Atalanta. Atalanta was a Greek goddess if memory serves…

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  3. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Mark, It is very tempting to link all the similar words to one origin since it’s unclear wether the word or name Atlantis is derived from the Greek language or borrowed into the Greek language.
    For now all the word reconstructions are nothing more than theories.

    Having said that various similar words like Atlantis;including reconstructions; do seem to be linked to islands or land surrounded by water.
    The wikipedia page for island gives the following etymology; Quote: “The word island derives from Middle English iland, from Old English igland (from ig or ieg, similarly meaning ‘island’ when used independently, and -land carrying its contemporary meaning; cf. Dutch eiland (“island”), German Eiland (“small island”)). However, the spelling of the word was modified in the 15th century because of a false etymology caused by an incorrect association with the etymologically unrelated Old French loanword isle, which itself comes from the Latin word insula. Old English ieg is actually a cognate of Swedish ö and German Aue, and related to Latin aqua (water).
    When Old English ieg is a cognate of Swedish ö and German Aue, and related to Latin aqua (water), iegland or igland meaning ‘island’ originally meant ‘waterland’ or ‘land in/surrounded by water’.

    Atlantis is a mythical island in the work by Plato – Timaeus and Critias
    List of similar words with meanings for comparison:

    àitlàntìr = ‘place of perfect land’ or ‘place of abounded land’/’place or land of abundance’ (Gaelic reconstruction)
    àitlanntìr = ‘place of inclosed land’ (Gaelic reconstruction)
    àitghalànta = ‘place of beauty’ or ‘beautiful place’ (Gaelic reconstruction by POOF member Moya)
    iegland = ‘waterland’ or ‘land in water’/’land surrounded by water’ (Old English reconstruction)

    Atholhu = ‘ring shaped island’ (or ‘ring of corals’?) (Dhivehi – Indo-Aryan language spoken on the Maldive Islands)
    Atollon = ‘ring shaped island’ (English – first recorded use in English in 1625 from ‘atholhu’)
    àitollon = ‘ring shaped island’? (Gaelic-English combined reconstruction)
    àitlon = ‘ring shaped island’? (Gaelic-English combined reconstruction)

    When taking a closer look at the various similar words there seems to be an Indo-European or Indo-Aryan influence. Could the Indo-Aryan ‘at’ from ‘atholhu’ be the origin for Old English ‘ait’ and Gaelic ‘àit’?
    If ‘at’ is related to or even the source for English ieg, Swedish ö and German aue from Latin aqua meaning ‘water’, ‘atholhu’ could have a different meaning. Hypothecically if ‘holhu’ means ‘hole’, the meaning of ‘atholhu’ would be ‘water hole’ and ‘atholhu tìr’ would alternatively mean ‘waterhole in land’.
    ———

    I am not aware of any atolls in the Atlantic ocean and the Azores Islands which is theorized to be Atlantis do not seem to have any atolls.
    Having said that, the wikipedia page on Atoll does mention Bermuda island.
    Quote: “Bermuda is sometimes claimed as the “northernmost atoll” at a latitude of 32°24′ N. At this latitude coral reefs would not develop without the warming waters of the Gulf Stream. However, Bermuda is termed a pseudo-atoll because its general form, while resembling that of an atoll, has a very different mode of formation.”

    Other than that there are atolls in the Caribbean sea on the coasts of Central America including the Yucatan and Nicaragua.
    The mythical island Atlantis passed the pillars of Hercules (Gibraltar) could very well be one of the atolls or islands in the Caribbean sea.

    In my opinion: If there ever was an Atlantis it would probably have been similar to an atoll or barrier reef to be more precies especially when looking at the diagram on the process of atoll formation.
    When looking at the diagram you will notice that the extinct volcanic island in the middle of the ring-shaped coral reef is sinking. That could explain why Atlantis was enclosed by rings ;probably an exaggeration, there was only one ring; and it would explain why Atlantis sunk into the ocean or sea.
    A similar word as ‘atholhu’ (terra atholhu => atholhu tìr => àitollon tìr => àitlontìr => àitlanntìr) was used to describe a place in the water (ocean or sea) where once was land (volcanic island) in the middle of a ring-shaped coral reef. Plato could have used such a word as a placename and the mythical island Atlantis was born.

    This is a theory and should NOT be taken as fact.

    Source – links:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island

    Topographic map – Bermuda:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/38/Bermuda_topographic_map-en.png/1280px-Bermuda_topographic_map-en.png

    Location Bermuda – Pseudo Atoll:
    https://www.researchgate.net/profile/James_Fourqurean/publication/256536307/figure/fig1/AS:297978775523328@1448055084229/a-Location-of-Bermuda-in-the-western-North-Atlantic-the-Bermuda-EEZ-extends-over-the.png

    Caribbean Coral Reefs – Atolls:
    https://www.coral-reef-info.com/caribbean-coral-reefs.html

    Diagram – the process of atoll formation:
    https://cdn.britannica.com/80/99280-050-15248A98.jpg

    https://cdn.britannica.com/32/93532-050-40436681.jpg

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  4. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Hi, Urisahatu, What once was called : Atholhu in India ended up being called in Gaelic: Aitollon for ‘ring shaped island. I don’t think Plato invented the story as stated he passed the story on from Solon (600 BC) who received the story from the Egyptians. Solon (called the law giver) translated the wordage into a Greek story and used the term “Atlantis” a Greek term for the Atlantic Ocean or for the American landmass. The Greeks did not use the word Azores but had another name “Ogygia” for those islands and for the Island Gozo. Found by scientist of the once Minoan island (that some people believe was Atlantis) was an insect from the Americas: the Tobacco beetle? Clear evidence that the Minoans (Achaeans) were part of a trade network that extended to this landmass (Egyptians used Cocaine and Tobacco) is proven. Appalachians? have some sound connections to the Achaeans name who’s 16th century attire looked very much like the Micmac (who used Egyptian like symbols or “vice a versa”) and the Laplanders peoples. That might have been the same lost Creek symbols written on a buffalo skin given to James Oglethorpe? The first written script invented in Peru 5000 BC was still being used by Natives in Western Virginia in the 17th Century who made Stonehenge’s like Ireland’s.
    I wondered: Getting back to the Greeks word who were related to a Bronze age Minoans people who clearly traded with the Gaelic people that lived on both sides of the Atlantic: “Atlantis” “Ait” = meaning ring…”lan”= land..”tir” = changed over time from “IS”. Paris is named after a famous lost city called “IS”. The Caribbean landmass has changed overtime as the Yucatan extended all the way to South America at one time looking like a ring? with perhaps islands in a sea appearance. That lost land appearance was passed on over time to the Native Gaelic’s… Minoans.. Egyptians…then to the Greeks. It is a small world after all?… people got here now proven at least 130,000 years ago by boats. Some of them had red hair…and we have not been informed by the university folks of their story yet? The Native elders did…and there were “Giants among them”.

    https://mapper.acme.com/?ll=14.525556,-75.818333&z=5&t=H&marker0=14.525556,-75.818333,Caribbean

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  5. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Mark, Wether Plato invented the story about Atlantis or not is something for the individual to decide since there’s no way in knowing if Egyptians actually told Solon about Atlantis. Even if the Egyptians told Solon it still could be fictional unless there is mention about Atlantis in Egyptian scrolls, hieroglyphic text.

    Having said that, ‘atholhu’ (atoll which is a ring shaped island) does seem to be the origin for the word or name Atlantis since Atlantis was an island with multiple rings although ‘atholhu’ only has a single ring.
    There must have been contact ;direct or indirectly; between Indo-Aryan speaking people probably from the Maldive Islands (Dhivehi language) and Greeks. The Indian ocean was a busy trade region which means the word ‘atholhu’ could also have been borrowed by other seafaring people such as Austronesians who have settled on islands in the Indian Ocean such as the Comoros Islands and Madagascar off the eastcoast of Africa for thousands of years.
    The Malagasy people of Madagascar speak an Austronesian language. They could have sailed through the red sea and traded with Egyptians or even Greeks.

    When the Azores Islands are named ‘Ogygia’ by Greeks it implies that the Azores Islands is not Atlantis.

    Regarding the Americas; Hypothetically one could consider the golf of Mexico and the Caribbean sea (basin) as two rings, in other words two atolls or ‘atholhu’. The golf of Mexico being the northern ring and the Caribbean sea being the southern ring.
    The island Cuba could be an island of importance since it seperates the so-called northern and southern ring.
    In 2001 off the coast of the Guanahacabibes Peninsula in the Pinar del Río Province of Cuba, Paulina Zelitsky and Paul Weinzweig discovered what they believe is a submerged city with Mayan-like structures.
    The Cuban submerged city is relatively in the right place to be an important seaport and trade center between North-, Meso-, Central and South America (land or lands of abundance?). Further more the submerged city is between two rings which could be the rings surrounding Atlantis.

    Source – links:

    Relief map Central America and the Caribbean:
    https://www.mapsland.com/maps/north-america/central-america-and-the-caribbean/detailed-relief-map-of-central-america.jpg

    Cuban underwater city:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_sunken_city

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1697038.stm

    https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/05/0528_020528_sunkencities.html

    Daily News – Submerged Cuban ruins may be manmade, experts say – Publication date: October 27, 2002

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    • markveale@hotmail.com'

      Richard, Urisahatu, The sunken city located off the coast of Cuba could be the fabled At-lan-tis (many Brittonic Welsh words start with “AT” associated with the search of the word “ring”) as it is at the right location: West of the pillars of Hercules, located on landmass larger than North Africa / Turkey combined, near mountains, the Caribbean islands (land bridge combined) would have looked like a (Atoll) in Gaelic: àitollon, lots of Gold in the area, Super sized Elephants, exotic birds, lush tropical environment ( the Egyptians called the area “Punt”, Minoans connected with Gaelic Bronze age trade network: Ait-lant-is).
      In addition to those connections the Native peoples of the South built Earth temples “aligned to that location” in Georgia and Tennessee (that Richard discovered). The Tani-se people (Ani-Ku-tani) associated with a Cuban tribal people and the Ku-sa city were the priests name of a band wiped out by the Cherokees that were connected to the ancient city.
      A Egyptian (Sais) priest…Solon…passed to Plato described a Kingdom of islands with a Royal city build in concentric circles on one of the islands perhaps looking like an Atoll (Cuba?) built by ancient Sea fairing peoples who most likely had at one time a multiracial city like the artwork of the Minoans (Achaeans) indicate. They advanced in building trade seaports network all the way across to the near middle East where some of the Egyptians, Achaeans, Phoenicians, Togha-mah, Armenians, Hebrews ended up living (all connected to Sea trade). A massive disaster event seems to have occurred with a comet strike in 10,500 BC that destroyed the Atlantic seaport cities but some inland people survived and passed on the lore of the lost Royal city. Again… many Native peoples have lore of arriving by boats across the Atlantic. I have to wonder if the Yuchi / Togha have a lore of that city?
      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-qEgozJigKtE/UxD3K_Z3dQI/AAAAAAAAAKM/-YPVu1nOzqw/s1600/Figure+11.JPG (Horned lord symbol?)
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Ship_procession_fresco%2C_part_1%2C_Akrotiri%2C_Greece.jpg
      https://aratta.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/provisional-cretan-map.png?w=751&h=427 (At, Ke, Ki, Tu, Tan) sounds with their city’s names

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  6. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Mark, The ‘seemingly’ sunken city ;since there is no concrete proof (yet) wether the anomalies are actual ruins of a city; off the westcoast of Cuba could be the fabled Atlantis. There are some problems concerning the timeline. If it turns out to be a sunken city, it would mean the city is about 50,000 years old based on a estimation by marine geologist Manuel Iturralde on how much years it would have taken for the city to sink to the depth ;between 600 metres (2,000 ft) and 750 metres (2,460 ft); where it is now situated.
    Of course 50,000 years is many centuries prior to the bronze age. A possible explanation could be that various seafaring nations during the bronze age had similar legends about a sunken seaport city in a land of abundance (continent) which is America and sailed out to find it which they eventually did.
    The Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean sea do look like (giant) atolls or atholhu. One could count a third (giant) atoll when you include the Yucatan Basin.

    One should be very careful to put out theories since it could be misinterpreted and taken as fact which in turn will lead many further from the truth. Having said that, the word reconstructions for Atlantis in various languages do point to the Indo-Aryan word ‘atholhu’ as a probable origin.

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    • markveale@hotmail.com'

      Urisahatu, Don’t take what I say as Gospel…just speculations. That ancient Seaport city might have been the first of many of the same design and name? and the lore passed on to the Bronze/ iron age peoples. You hit the ball out of the park!! with that Indian Atholhu (atoll) “ring shape” understanding that most certainly fits with that area. Also the Egyptians story of their tropical “Punt” is associated with a Giant serpent…”Feathered Serpent” artwork associated with Central America and Mexico. The same type of ship building “flat plank sewed together” was used in Mexico and Egypt. For me too many connections….the Aitlantis type cities spread from that area.

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