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Medieval Irish on the South Atlantic Coast . . . they were refugees!

Medieval Irish on the South Atlantic Coast . . . they were refugees!

 

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Over the past seven years,  Scott Wolter, the former host* of the History Channel’s, “America Unearthed,” has devoted much of his available time to research the history of Christianity up to the late Middle Ages. As the keynote speaker at this weekend’s Ancient Artifact Preservation Society conference at the Island Resort and Convention Center in Michigan,  he presented much of that research to a large audience.  Native America is not the only place, where history has been concealed and fabricated.  The audience was astounded at the long list of facts about early Christian history, which are conveniently left out of sermons, Sunday School classes and articles by the mainstream media.  Island Resort is owned by the Hannahville Indian Community of Potawatomi.

What immediately caught my ear was Wolter’s descriptions of the radical changes in the church that occurred in the 1000’s via Papal Edicts and Vatican Councils . . . and the fact that Christians in the British Isles refused to endorse them.  The most notable change was that celibacy was made mandatory for the priesthood and hierarchy, but was rarely practiced by the rulers of the church in Rome. Most popes had mistresses, wives or male lovers throughout the Middle Ages and Renaissance.  

The emerging church oligarchy in Rome wanted to control all of Europe as Roman emperors did in the past. They also wanted to shift the family orientated worship services of the traditional churches to a standardized liturgy dominated by single men and their teenage boy assistants.  The Anglo-Saxon, Scottish and Irish bishops, who refused to endorse these edicts, were considered heretics.

Although Wolter did not specifically mention events in late 11th century Ireland, his description of the political intrigues, going on in the Roman Catholic Church during that era, clearly answers, “Why would Irish Christians want to leave Ireland?”  More about that later.

*According to a neutral website, IDMb,  “America Unearthed” was the most successful program ever aired on History Channel H2.  The premier of America Unearthed (about the Itza Mayas migrating to Georgia) has become the most watched History program ever because of Youtube and continued availability on its own website.  America Unearthed was at the peak of its ratings, when H2 was sold to the A & E Network, which has now re-branded it as the Vice Network.  According to IDMb,  A & E executives thought America Unearthed too “intellectual” for the educational level of persons, who still maintain loyalty to cable networks.

 

Georgia’s first history book

William Bacon Stevens

The opening paragraphs of the first book on the history of the state of Georgia by William Bacon Stevens matter of factly states that early colonists on the coast of South Carolina and Georgia encountered light-skinned Indians, who spoke a dialect of Irish Gaelic.  Stevens cited specific and real monastic journals in France and Ireland, which described Irish from County Leinster and Scandinavian (Norman) Christians from Wexford and Dublin fleeing Ireland for Witmannsland (White People’s Land in Norse) on the other side of the Atlantic Ocean between 1160 AD and 1190 AD, because of persecution by the invading French Normans.  The journals stated that the Scandinavians furnished the boats and settled farther north than the Irish.

In his book, De Orbo Novo,  16th century author Peter Martyr d’Anghiera described a voyage in 1521 of slave traders,   Francisco Gorgillo and Pedro de Quejo,  to the South Atlantic Coast.  South of the province that the Spanish called Chicora and the French called Chicola,  the Spaniards visited a province of “giant” Caucasians called Duhare.  The people of Duhare raised domesticated dairy deer and made cheese from their milk.  They also raised several plants and livestock, which are not indigenous to the Americas. However, their houses and pottery were the same as their Indian neighbors.  The Spaniards recorded several Duhare words, but did not state what ethnicity they were.

The story of Duhare has been discounted by all scholars for almost 500 years. They said that the idea of dairy deer was ludicrous and proof that the story was a fantasy. All scholars place Chicora north of Charleston, SC when the French, who visited there in 1562 and 1565 specifically said that it was about 35 miles south of Port Royal Sound, SC at what is now Savannah, GA.

Instead of relying on “all scholars,”  I contacted the Irish Consulate in Atlanta at asked them to put me in touch with the right professors in Ireland.  Strangely enough, the Irish history and Gaelic professors at Trinity College in Dublin were not familiar with the story of Duhare.  HOWEVER,  they said that Duhare, was actually the Early Medieval Gaelic word, Du H’Aire, which meant “Irish.”  All the other Duhare words, recorded by the Spaniards were also Early Medieval Gaelic words . . . very close to the Gaelic used today.

The history professor stated that indeed, the Irish had domesticated the Red Deer into a stockier animal, which was milked.  The deer milk was made into cheese.  The Ossreigh People (Deer Kingdom) specialized in deer dairying.  They had formerly lived in Leinster, but were terribly persecuted by the Norman invaders during the late 1100s.   Many Ossreigh villages had been deserted, but historians didn’t really know where they went.  Dairy cows were not known in Ireland until introduced by French-Norman monks.  He said that the Irish Gaelic Church was terribly persecuted by the Normans, but didn’t say why.  He did mention, though, that many Irish priests and bishops were killed . . . often being burned at the stake.

So . . . William Bacon Stephens recounted eyewitness accounts of Gaelic speaking Indians on the coast, but didn’t seem to get the connection with the story of Duhare.    The Spanish didn’t realize that the freckled, brown-haired, bearded Indians on the coast were Irish Gaels.  All scholars for 500 years didn’t bother to fact check the story told by Peter Martyr d’Anghiera, before completely discounting it. 

In the 1600s and 1700s,  the Creeks called a hybrid people, living on the upper Savannah River, Tuckaseegee River (Tokahsi-ke)  and Highlands, NC area, Tokahle, which means freckled people.  Some Tokahle eventually moved to Alabama and became one of the most powerful divisions of Creek Confederacy, the Tuckabatchee.  Other Tokahle moved to Florida and became a powerful division of the Seminole Alliance.

 It makes no sense.  Why would French Norman Catholics persecute Irish Norman and Irish Gaelic Catholics so viciously that they would flee across the Atlantic Ocean in the late 1100s?   This has always been the major barrier to validating the Duhare Story.

 

Secret crusades against fellow Christians

Research into historical texts about the Middle Ages revealed that the Roman Catholic church began to use especially painful means of executing those men and women, judged heretics, after the schism between the bishops of Rome and Constantinople in 1054.  By the 1100s, merely disobeying a papal order could get one labeled a heretic.  Kings were excommunicated.  Commoners were tortured and burned. 

During the 1100s, increasing larger numbers of knights and soldiers were launched against populations, viewed as Christian heretics.  The first formal “Holy Crusade” against Muslims in the Middle East began around 1095 AD.  The first formal military attack against “heretics” was in 1109.  By 1147,  formal crusades were being launched against several nations and provinces around Europe, who were viewed as heretics. European heretics were treated far more brutally than Muslim populations in the Middle East.  Typically, all men, women and children would be killed in the most painful way possible, when a crusade was launched against Christians.

It is always seemed bizarre that Pope Alexander II gave his Papal blessing in 1066 to William, the illegitimate son of a Norman duke, to conquer England and kill an anointed English king.  Papal indulgences were given to anyone in William’s army , who died in the military campaign.   Such things were normally only done for participants in a “Holy” Crusade.  Also, not a word was uttered in protest as the now King William of England defrocked all of the Anglo-Saxon clerical leaderships and replaced them with French bishops and cardinals.  Thanks to Wolter’s research, the answer to this riddle is obvious.  The Norman Conquest WAS a crusade against England . . . Heretic Anglo-Saxon England, which refused to cease marriage of priests and local control of parishes.

This is what Scott Wolter’s research tells us.   The French Norman’s viewed the Roman Catholic Church as an extension of their centralized political power.  Of course, it made little difference to individual barons and kings, whether a priest was married, had a mistress or was celibate.  What did matter was that the bishops and priests obeyed the commands of their bosses in the nearest castle and in Rome . . . because the  French Norman nobility expected the priests and bishops to encourage submission to both papal power and Norman overlords.

Thus, refusal of Irish Gaelic clergy to abandon their wives and children or accept new standard forms of liturgy were viewed by the French Normans, controlling England and now conquering Ireland, as both treason and heresy.   The most gruesome forms of torture and death were reserved by medieval rulers for those, who were viewed as either traitors or heretics.   Irish Gaels and Normans were viewed as both.

Possible death by drowning in the vast Atlantic Ocean would seem to be a valid alternative to being tortured and then burned to death.  Most likely, the Norse in Dublin and Wexford found out about the New World from Scandinavians in Iceland and Greenland.  Both remote regions had extensive contacts with Ireland.  Over half the MtDNA of Icelandic women is Gaelic.

 

And now you know!

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

15 Comments

  1. Reillyranch@aol.com'

    I remember reading in a copy of Columbus’s log book, I think the second voyage, that his men met with a group of ‘monks’ with long white ropes and beards who called to them. The sailors got scared and ran away. Scholars explained it away as a group of large white crane’s, but that’s not what the sailors said they saw. I think a group of experienced seamen would know the difference between a flock of birds and a group of men who were calling after them.

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  2. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, History continues to be “a tail of lies” taught by the powers that be, but the real question is why? Why all the made up history instead of clearly stating that many different peoples made it to this landmass and in different directions long ago? Serpent mounds like Ohio’s are found in Scotland (Alba), and Wales going back to 2000 BC, copper of the Great lakes (99.7 pure) found back to 3300 BC in Europe imported, Burial mounds of the same type as W. Virginia and Europe. Lots of Statements by Native elders of arriving by boats and yet we are still told everybody walked over an ice bridge about 12,000 BC. by the Universities books. (“Let no man deceive you”… Yesuah). By the way do you know of any Native peoples that knew of the Son of GOD (pre Columbus?) Thanks again for the articles.

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    • I have never run across any Southeastern tribe, which used a name similar to Jesus. The Creeks of course have the Yamacutah site, where supposedly the Master of Life or an angel disappeared before their eyes after spending a year teaching the people. Apparently, the Tokahle (Duhare) were Christians originally. When John Wesley preached at Palachicola, the elders told him afterward, “We believe the same thing you do, but we prefer to worship the Master of Life outside.”

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      • markveale@hotmail.com'

        Thank You Richard. Yes some connections with Hebrew culture and words being used at the time of William Bartram are noted by him by the Tokahle Creeks. There appears to be some lore of men with in “red crosses” on their outfits that did arrive before the Spanish in Mexico and the Man called Tuscaloosa (Tuskcaluza) also used a Nordic cross flag symbol in Alabama in 1540. In any case, a “mixing pot” of peoples in the South before/after the 1500’s for the Creeks and Cherokees is what is being discovered by you.
        The “grey eyes” people lore were most likely the “Nephilim” of the Torah and one was painted by a Dutch painter titled “the Girl with the pear ear ring” and might be the same as the “Paracusis” of Peru among the Apalachi people in 1653 by Mr. Bridgestock.

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        • That’s the Sacred Fire symbol. It appeared first in central Canada around 3500 BC then in Scandinavia then in Georgia then throughout most of western Europe during the Celtic Age. I can’t attach a photo to a comment, but it is shown in earlier articles. The circle and cross was the logo of Etula (Etowah Mounds).

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          • markveale@hotmail.com'

            The “stone henge people” could have been one of the groups of Amorite (Beaker) or Hittite peoples of the Torah and perhaps were the American Natives (Black Irish) that made their way over to Europe called (Amorica) and back in the old days. Some stayed behind. Georgia also had Stones henges for Sun worship and calculations as you have noted.
            On another note: Some of them might have helped build the 3 Great Pyramids of Giza Egypt that point to the landing spot of Noah’s Ark, and by using the left hand with three points (Index, Hand, Wrist) with the understanding that the Hebrew vowel (“Y” is written like our Vowel “I”) so “YHWH” is the Name of the Great Spirit of GOD is spelled with adding another “H” for the Hebrews. “On thy belly you shall “go” all the days of your life eating dust.” the Torah reads: (GO-shen) The Garden of Eden. The shen symbol possibly was found by the Savanna river by William Bartram in an ancient pyramid site.

    • myronpaine@frozentrail.org'

      MARK:

      THREE ITEMS: Alba, Why, Jesus

      ALBA. A. Have you searched for Radio Alban on the internet. They are still marching two their song i
      in Scotland.
      B. The LENAPE History has a stanza “The properly selected Judge had Red Hair.”
      C. The LENAPE (Norse from Greenland) had to divide at James Bay to go around the
      Picts (Irish) and Albans (Scots at ABANAKI—ALBAN LAND). All were Christians but
      moving 4,000 starving people through a region wher PICTS and ALBANS were barely
      surviving presented both sides with a problem. (The LENAPE and the PICTS (OJIBWA)
      joined together to fight the invading Sioux.)

      WHY? So far the hypothesis that seems to answer all histories and data Is that the POPE declared the Doctrine of Discover, whereby the European King could claim newly discovered regions—if the people there were PAGAN.

      The English knew better but they created a NEW WORLD where only pagans lived. So Picts, Albans, Norse, Welsh, Temper Knights, copper haulers, mound builders, the Tifinag script, the Hebrew script, the Moses stone, the Heaver Stone, and 42 other rune stones, the two viking swords, the hundreds of stones with holes that could have been made with high grade steel , and thousands of Norse words, were, and STILL ARE—suppressed by omitting them from the MYTHS our PROFESSORS
      teach the teachers who teach out kids,

      DID THE NATIVES KNOW ABOUT JESUS? JOHN WHITE painted the Mother of Jesus in 1585. Harriot used words to describe Lasarus and Jesusn. The first two chapters of the LENAPE history are Genesis up to the flood. One stanza even tells of the short Semite men mating the BIG (tall) Norse? women.

      Our Professors continue to teach about a MYTHICAL land of PAGANS. Our Editors and Publishers publish the MYTH and look with suspicion on those of us that say the ENGLISH did something fishy.

      After all, a life of study and careful analysis can be blown away by some administrator who believed the Professors. It happened to Thomas E. Lee, Patricia Sullivan, and her husband.

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  3. quarefremeruntgentes7@yahoo.com'

    The political aristocracy’s opportunistic exploitation of the practice of lay investiture is blatantly transparent in the historical record of the Celtic Church in Britain and Ireland, and Catholic authorities’ objections to this practice were thoroughly justified.

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  4. quarefremeruntgentes7@yahoo.com'

    For the sake of clarity, the investiture controversy in England did not arise until after the Norman Conquest of England, when Norman King Henry I sought to influence the appointment of bishops in England.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Investiture_Controversy

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  5. quarefremeruntgentes7@yahoo.com'

    I also want to address are the claims atributed to Scott Wolter. The theory that the Pope granted a “Crusader indulgence” to the Norman invaders is suspect, inasmuch as contemporary accounts clearly describe King William I’s candid deathbed statements of repentance, and fear of God’s vengeance, for his genocidal “harrowing of the North,” during the subjugation of England, c.f:

    “I treated the native inhabitants of the kingdom with unreasonable severity, cruelly oppressed high and low, unjustly disinherited many, and caused the death of thousands by starvation and war, especially in Yorkshire….

    “In mad fury I descended on the English of the north like a raging lion, and ordered that their homes and crops with all their equipment and furnishings should be burnt at once and their great flocks and herds of sheep and cattle slaughtered everywhere.

    “So I chastised a great multitude of men and women with the lash of starvation and, alas! was the cruel murderer of many thousands, both young and old, of this fair people…“
    —–William the Conqueror’s expression of repentance, according to contemporary chronicler Orderic Vitalis, c.f:

    A Conqueror’s Change Of Heart
    http://www.normandythenandnow.com/a-conquerors-change-of-heart/

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    • The Pope endorsed William’s invasion and named him the rightful king of England. He also granted indulgences for William’s mercenaries since it was a “holy cause” they were fighting for. The harrowing of the north was butchery against unarmed civilians.

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      • quarefremeruntgentes7@yahoo.com'

        Wolter has long had an inclination for sensationalism, as when he proposed that DNA from the archaic Windover, FL remains was evidence for of the Solutrean hypothesis.* His blogspot blog does not mention anything relating to the Norman period in England and Ireland. Inasmuch as King William I did not speak like a man who thought he had a one-way ticket to heaven at the end of his life, and inasmuch as Wolter appears to be the sole source of this information, I still say his claims about these things are suspect…

        *NOTE: Wolter’s alleged evidence, the presence of the maternal mtDNA haplogroup X, is not clear evidence of a Solutrean link. X is most common among Middle Easterners. Wolter’s hypothesis about this has many problems. While X is often found among modern European populations, no Solutrean remains have ever been discovered, so, at this stage, there is evidence linking X to the Solutreans.

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  6. quarefremeruntgentes7@yahoo.com'

    Under William I, the English Archbishop Stigand was deposed for the canonical crime of “unitarianism,” meaning that he illegally presided over multiple bishoprics simultaneously (Canterbury and Winchester in this case). Stigand’s brother Æthelmær, Bishop of Elmham, and some English abbots were also deposed and replaced, however, these episodes do not corobborate claims of a general replacement of the English clergy, c.f:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stigand#Deposition_and_death ,

    and,

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Conqueror#Church_affairs

    I should add that refusing to comply to Church Laws is not, necessarily the same offense as practicing heresy. I confidently predict that Scott Wolter will not be able to produce any contemporary source that corobborates his sensational rendition of this history.

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  7. quarefremeruntgentes7@yahoo.com'

    There were canonical disputes between Latin Rite Catholics, and those of the Celtic Rite Church in Britain and Ireland, which followed some different monastic practices, and followed a different calendar than Latins, which I have studied in previous years. I do not recall that these involved accusations of heresy by any side. The Celtic rite was abandoned everywhere by 909, approximately 156/157 years prior to the Norman invasion of England, Cornwall being the last country to adopt the Latin Rite:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celtic_Christianity#Universal_practice

    The Normans’ rule in England is noted for its severity and abuses, however, and I am not surprised to hear that they practiced the same in Ireland.

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    • This is the French Normans using religion to establish hegemony. The professors at Trinity College said that the Old Irish Gaelic Church was modeled after the earliest form of the Christian Church, created by Constantine. A big issue was the married priests in Angleland and Eire. Scott Wolter went through a long list of liturgical and belief disagreements between the British Isles and Rome. You will have to talk with him on that. Such things are not the focus of our research. We were primarily trying to understand why Gaels, who made cheese out of deer milk would seek refuge on the South Atlantic Coast in the late 1100s.

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