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Research Update: DNA of Paracas, Highland Apalache, Creek & and South Atlantic elite traced to region around Caucasus Mountains & Black Sea

Research Update:  DNA of Paracas, Highland Apalache, Creek & and South Atlantic elite traced to region around Caucasus Mountains & Black Sea


If they were extraterrestrials, there is no evidence of it at this time.

Quoting anthropologist, Ben Foester:All ancient Native Peruvians supposedly trace their ancestry via four haplogroups: A, B, C, D; however, recent DNA testing of the Paracas has shown the presence of such haplogroups as U2e, H, K and J1b1, which can be traced back to the Black Sea and Crimea! This area is where other elongated skulls have been found that date from the same time period. As well, all ancient Native people of Peru are supposed to be 100 percent blood type O, while in the Paracas testing we see high percentages of A and AB, with some B present.”


Paracus skull

It seems incredible, but none of the archaeologists involved in the study of the Paracus or Paracas Civilization on the Nazca Plain of Peru have attempted to translate its name.    Paracus and Paracas are the Europeanizations of the Panoan words, Para Caushe, which mean “Ocean or River ~ Strong or Elite.  The Kaushebo of Peru and the Kusabo of South Carolina are descendants of these far-wandering people . . . although by now, their DNA is probably thoroughly diluted with American Indian and Western European genes.

The elite families of the Highland Apalachee,  Satile on the South Atlantic Coast and the Calusa in southern Florida were called the Paracusa-te, which is a combination of the Panoan word with the Itza Maya word for “people, tribe or clan.”  An important derivative of Paracus is the word Appalachian.   It is derived from Aparasen (Apalachen), which is the plural of Apalache in the Apalache (Archaic Creek) language of Northern Georgia.  The Creeks of the Southeastern United States and the Panoans of Peru roll their R’s so hard that Europeans typically write down the sound as an L.  The Creeks called the southern tip of the Appalachian Mountains, Palen, which is the plural of Pará (Palá).  Para can mean either ocean, river or water . . . depending on which South American language, one is analyzing. Pará is the former name of an advanced civilization in the Upper Amazon Basin and now the name of a Brazilian State in that region.

The Colonial Period Creeks’ specific name for the Blue Ridge Mountains of Northeast and North Central Georgia was a word, which meant “The Snowy Mountains.”  During the Little Ice Age (c. 1580 – 1780) there were periods of extreme drought in the Upper Southeast, while the Georgia and Carolina section of the Blue Ridge Mountains experienced some of the heaviest annual snow falls in eastern North America.  When the snow melted in late March,  vast lakes would form in the Coastal Plain of Georgia, South Carolina and northeastern Florida.

Colonial archives

Anthropologists are completely clueless to the fact that the elongated skull people of the Peruvian Coastal Plain were also in the Southeastern United States, because past academicians in the Southeast ignored linguistics,  the statements of Creek leaders to British officials in Savannah and eyewitness accounts from French explorers in the region. Even as late as the 1730s, the elite of the Creek people were called Paracusa-te or Paracus People.  Indeed,  on June 7, 1735, High King Chiliki of the Creek Confederacy told assembled leaders of Savannah that they called themselves Aparasi  and that it meant the same as “Creek” or “Koweta.”

Sixteenth century French and Spanish explorers encountered extremely tall elite populations in several locations within the lower Southeast, who called themselves Paracusa or Paracusa-te.  These include the region around the mouths of the Altamaha and Satilla Rivers in Georgia;  Port Royal Sound, South Carolina; the Northeast Georgia Mountains;  the Coosawattee River Valley in Northwest Georgia;  the Alabama River Valley in Alabama and among the Calusa People of Southeast Florida.  Seven feet tall skeletons have been found at several indigenous town sites in Alabama and Georgia . . . plus George Washington discovered an entire cemetery filled with seven feet tall skeletons when constructing Fort Loudon in Winchester, Virginia.

The presence of core Panoan words in the Creek language suggests that the Paracus Peoples in the Creek Homeland migrated there from Peru.   However, this may not be the case.  It would obviously much easier for the ancestors of the Paracus to sail from probable location of Atlantis (whatever Atlantis was) in the Azores Islands to the mouth of the Savannah River than to the Pacific Coast of Peru.  Perhaps the Paracus migrated from the Southeast to South America and carried their root words with them.  Certainly the ancient, complex earthworks at Fig Island, South Carolina suggest an advanced culture settled there.

Genetic research into the indigenous peoples of the Southeast

There is another problem, however, which is seriously impeding the accurate interpretation of DNA tests on modern individuals.  There are no DNA test markers for Southeastern Indian tribes because for unknown reasons,  Southeastern archaeologists have not been inclined to obtain genetic analysis of Pre-Columbian skeletons.   This is true even for the seven feet tall Proto-Creek skeletons that were on display for decades at the Etowah Mounds State Historic Site museum and at Ocmulgee National Monument. 

Hundreds of well-preserved skeletons were recovered by archaeologists in 2007 when the water level of Lake Okeechobee, Florida dropped starkly during a drought.  They were of two types.  The lower strata contained short, Mesoamerican type skeletons.  The upper strata contained tall skeletons that were apparently also of indigenous American type.   The Seminole and Miccosukee Tribes were notified of the discovery of hundreds of skeletons dating that seemed to be 1000 to 500 years old.  Nothing more was done.  The public has not even been told what happened to the skeletons, which were retrieved.

The story is different at Windover Pond near Titusville, Florida.  This mortuary pond contains burials from 6000 BC to 5000 BC.  There were over 100 human skeletons.  The best preserved skeletons even contained brain matter because of the anaerobic environment of the peat.  These WERE tested for DNA content.   Most samples were DNA profiles, typical of northwestern Eurasian Neolithic peoples . . . like the Sami and Forest Finns of Scandinavia.  Some skeletons showed a mixture of American Indian and Northwestern Eurasian DNA.   Immediately, there were headlines in the media stating that the earliest Floridians were Europeans . . . which angered western Native American tribal political figures.  The archaeologists backed off and are now saying that “previously unknown Native American population had lived in Florida, but had died off.”

Of course, the surprising genetic results did not offend Creeks and Uchees.  We know that we are genetically Heinz 57 varieties and the Uchee have always claimed to have migrated across the Atlantic anyway.  Here again, the lack of any Southeastern DNA test markers obscured the actual situation from articles that the public read.

Based on the research done by People of One Fire members over the past 18 years, it is obvious that the Southeastern United States was always a melting pot of peoples.   As time goes on, the recipe for this human Brunswick Stew just keeps on getting more complex.

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.



    Another fascinating report, thank you.

    I don’t know if this is relevant but I just heard on the BBC news of another fact they discovered in the Icelandic DNA study. They said they said a significant amount of the population can be traced to Norse and the British isles. Some think it was the Vikings and British sex slave trade that contributed to the populating of Iceland. It’s not that far from Iceland to North America. I could see them using Iceland as a stopping point on their way to this continent. We already know of the Norse village sites (dating to 1000 AD) and have found several sun stones in North America. And the Irish tradition dating 500 years before that. But just how long they have been traveling here is the question.


    regarding Foester’s statement. One has to ponder how he knows what ANCIENT NATIVE PERUVIANS” SUPPOSEDLY thought. He has access to their records & their knowledge of “haplogroups” (recken he means haplotypes?). ? While we can unravel what he MAY be trying to say, we should not have to do so. No one that inarticulate should be published (or even speaking) about a subject he that linguistically incompetent in.

    • His text exhibited some incorrect English grammar. A better way of saying what he was trying to say is . . . Anthropologists have long presumed that all indigenous peoples in Peru carry only these four haplotypes . . . A, B, C, D. However, recent DNA testing of the Paracas skeletons has shown the presence of such haplotypes as U2e, H, K and J1b1, which can be traced back to the Black Sea and Crimea!


        The ancient Paracas had 0 instances of J1b1, K, H or U25 Haplotypes at all! only A,B, C or D1. all NA Haplotypes found in all prehistoric ancient Burial sites. Its just a case of Colonialsit insecurity that that shows White and Black Americans are looking for their mythological white Tribes that have no deep ties to lands that NAs do. its pathetic insrecurity on the part of immigrant invaders from Europe!!!!


          After more than a century of speculation, an international group of geneticists has conclusively proven that the Aztecs, Incas, and Iroquois are closely related to the peoples of Altai, the Siberian region that borders China and Mongolia. After more than a century of speculation, an international group of geneticists has conclusively proven that the Aztecs, Incas, and Iroquois are closely related to the peoples of Altai, the Siberian region that borders China and Mongolia.

          • You quoted a headline from a English language Russian website. The original scientific report only says “many tribes from North America” but the researchers refused to divulge which tribes they obtained their DNA sample from. They did not specifically mention the Aztecs, Incas and Iroquois and specifically stated that tribes living farther south may not be related to the Altai. You see, that is a critical bit of information. There are NO DNA test markers for the Iroquois or any of the tribes in the Southeast. Furthermore, critics pointed out that the mutation the researchers linked to Native Americans can also be found in China, Tibet and Mongolia.


    Richard, Thanks again for your articles!! What we know now is two locations of ancient Elongated skull, tall people that are DNA connected. As stated by the Elders of the Creek a Sea fairing people arrived from the South and lived by the Savanna river where there was an ancient city described by William Bartram that had a Pyramid like Caral, Peru (3000 BC)…. (An Atoll shape). Still today a few reports of underwater cities found on the Caribbean land bridge that extended from South America to the Yucatan but most likely an opening between Cuba and Hatti.
    I think the “Para-Caushe” were part of Bronze age Greek word “Atlantis” sea peoples. They most likely were some that were sheltered in Peru from the Comet impact that seems to have affected the Caribbean / South East and Europe around 1200 BC. They seemed to be BIG in mining: Gold, Silver, (Copper/zinc) tin and perhaps connected to the Bronze “Beaker” trade people of Spain but were not an iron age people. Those Minoans were also in Southern Spain for awhile. It’s likely when the swift creek pottery (matching Peru’s) arrived in Georgia around 100 AD? Corn in Florida in 200 AD? that the Para-Caushe arrive in Georgia/ Florida/ South Carolina. Of course you are right about the Eastern Natives being a mixed peoples.


    Richard, In doing more research on a likely Atlantic trade connection with Copper/Bronze age Sea peoples..I have found more possible name connections with the Eastern Mediterranean: The Hittites called the city Troy ( Wi-Lusa) could they be connected to the Ca-lusa or Tusca-lusa names? Also a people called the Luwian ( Lu-Wiya) could that be a connection to the Ani-yun-Wiya name for the Cherokees? who seem to have some words from that area of the world. The area around Troy was called Tar-uisa is close to the base word for the Yuchi (Uise) or Togha. A city called Talawa in Turkey but in Georgia called Taliwa. It would seem to me you are one of the few people that have been able to connect the Bronze age dots.
    I found this web site interesting: Was there was an ancient Bronze age American city after all? They mention finding an “American Cross symbol” which I have never seen in much Native artworks… it was a symbol used by the Luwian Sea people. ( By: Linda Moulton Howe)

    • I don’t know. Lusa means “black” or “dark” in Muskogee Creeks. I don’t know what Calusa means. The American Cross symbol is endemic in the Uchee-Creek Homeland. It is called the Sacred Fire and was the “coat of arms” of the city of Etula, which is now called Etowah Mounds.


        Richard, the copper culture artifacts (some bronze items), advanced Mathematics use, first major cities (5000 BC), first written script, massive domestication of most plants eaten today, Seaport cities, name/sound connections from? America to Europe/Mediterranean Sea areas, clearly many Native lore of arriving by Boats and in some lore from an island or city.
        The Native peoples here were thousands of years ahead of the rest of the world…Why are we are taught just the opposite? Until the Western Native Elders and the “conquistador families” controlling the Native sites/ shipwrecks allow scientist to complete DNA tests…the same History will be pasted on to their next generation.
        I read a lore about the Cherokees living on an island once and the name started with the letters “AT” and whos people were experimenting with “White power”…perhaps the first use of static electricity?


    The elongated skull people must explain the tiny skeleton found in/near Peru that looked like it was an alien being with an elongated skull. So there was Neanderthals with their skull features, then normal for today’s Caucasians Cro-Magnons, and now a new skull type………I try to think about the Fig Island inhabitants living right near there. Now that place is surrounded by Wadmalaw Sound. If the islands had water around them, they would be subject to hurricanes. So how did the inhabitants make it there for any length of time? Maybe they were immune to hurricanes, not human. Maybe they didn’t need to evacuate like we do now here. Maybe they CAUSED hurricanes. Additionally how did they make it there and not be subject to alligators crawling up the shell mounds into the village. There ARE gators in that sound. I saw on near there in a pond on the main highway on Wadmalaw near the tea plantation close to Rockville which is across the sound from Fig Island. Maybe the inhabitants CAUSED the gators to exist. Maybe the inhabitants were supreme beings. It’s fun to ponder about how the inhabitants made it there.


    This article lead me to find your past articles about Fig Island and other coastal structures. I think it should be stressed in each mention of ancient coastal locations that the seas were several feet lower during the last glacial period (the time of mass trans-migration) than they are now. Global seas have been gradually rising for a very long time, but their effect on human populations is a more recent event.

    Also, there were far more barrier islands along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts that there are now (and every other coast around the world – perhaps prompting coastal Pacific civilizations to seek more solid ground-literally). In other words, the ancient shell structures were far better protected from hurricanes than they are now. The Florida peninsula had much more soil over the limestone base than it does now, i.e. the land could sustain more fauna, more crops and a therefore a more stable population.

    Kindest regards,
    Bill in Roswell, GA


    Richard T., The ancient complex earthworks ;shell rings; at Fig Island in South Carolina could be indirect proof of Atlantis.
    In other posts I have already provided probable source words like atholhu / atollon for Atlantis.

    Your previous post “Allatoona Mountains . . . a surprising origin for the word” is important in reconstructing and finding the origin of the word/name Atlantis.
    The shell rings complex at Fig Island could very well be an atollon-ton or atollon-tun meaning “fortified town or hill/mountain (with-)in (or on?) a ring shape (island/coral reef)” from atollon meaning “atoll” from atholhu associated with and or meaning “ring shaped island”/”ring shaped coral reef” and ton meaning “fortified town” from tun meaning “large hill”; “small mountain”.

    Multiple shell ring complexes could alternatively be atollon-tona/tons?/tos? or atollon-tuna?/tuns?/tus? Further more multiple towns combined could become a city therefor multiple combined shell ring complexes could be indirect proof of a city with multiple rings knowns as Atlantis.


      further exploration is now needed into your find; if you have found Atlantis you will become famous; Fig Island is accessible by boat; it is right north of Edisto Island on Wadmalaw Sound, SC off of Rockville, SC; it can be seen on Google Earth; it is illegal to go there and take anything from there, but not illegal to go there; my recommendation is to go to Wadmalaw Island via Johns Island, go to Rockville, go to Cherry Point Boat Landing, also seen on Google Earth, with a motor boat, go over the sound to Fig, and explore; I personally have been to Cherry Point Boat Landing numerous times; hardly anybody is ever there so you can disenbark easily; Rockville has a blessing of the fleet festival each Spring for shrimp boats and one small Episcopal Church there


        Thanks for the info on the boat launch. I hope to paddle there next fall. I’ve sailed the area and paddled king tides. It would be an awesome experience to just be at such an ancient site. FWIW, I went to Palenque in 1974, when most was still in jungle. I grew up on the TN River, playing in caves now known to have artifacts 10-12,000 years old. It must be in my blood.


          Yeah my late dad’s ancestry came down the TN river in the early 1700’s. They were Johnsons. One was named Moses Johnson. They were attacked by indians. One woman on their raft was shot in the head. I think they might have had something to do with Johnson City, TN being named that. Moses Johnson became a sheriff for a little while. My dad was into geneology……..Yeah paddling mover there would be cool. Rockville, where the boat landing is, is a weird little town. There is no commercialization, except for a small country store that always appeared closed. There is no city hall, no cop station, no city water, no water tower. Folks have to live off of their own wells. There is no garbage pickup, they have to contract with a private company to pick it up. There is no Charleston County ambulance service, they have to hire a private ambulance service. There’s one little Episcopal church and no other churches. There’s one commercial boatyard and one shrimp boat place. The Cherry Point Boat Landing is a large park with large live oaks and a few picnic tables under them. You can go on street level on Google Earth to see the boat landing. Satellite view will depict Fig Island, right across from Rockville. They wanted to keep the location secret even though they said it was in Charleston County, but I had been to Rockville and Cherry Point on numerous occasions and I had an idea that Fig Island might have been near there, and sure enough it was, found on Google Earth. It wasn’t all that hard for me to find it. I would watch out for gators in Wadmalaw Sound. When you go to Rockville down the main highway, you pass by a plantation-style house sitting way back off the highway. This house has a pond on the hwy. I saw a 5′ gator in it after a big storm that produced a tornado there about 7 years ago. That house is near the tea plantation, just before you pass by there, about a half mile before the tea plantation.


        Charles Johnson, Thank you for your comment. The word reconstruction for Atlantis is just a theory.
        Having said that, The Fig island shell rings / earthworks complex do look like atolls. Atoll is a word which was recorded as atollon in early 17th century English from atholhu meaning ring shaped island / coral reef from Dhivehi – Indo-Aryan language. There could very well have been a similar word in use prior to the 17th/16th century.

        A combined word like atollon-ton (atollonton) or atollon-tos (atollontos) depending on the interpretation could mean “(fortified) ringed town” or “ringed city”. Funny thing is that ancient cities have usually been enclosed or encircled by a (fortified) city wall.

        Further exploration on Fig island would be great. Perhaps there are ‘true’ archaeologists and other experts who are able to make that happen. By the way, An extensive exploration would cost a lot of money and paperwork to get permission to dig etc. You don’t want to find yourself in a situation where you hear someone yelling ‘get off my land’ followed by a clicking lock and load sound.


          I live near Fig Island. I could drive to Rockville on Wadmalaw Island in 45 minutes to an hour, and drive to Edisto as close as I could get to it in an hour and a half. On Edisto there’s a farm at the end of the road where Fig is off of and a dead end road there. If I had a boat I could go to Fig. There aren’t any restrictions on visitation. It’s not allowed to dig or take anything b/c there might be artifacts there. Somebody like Richard could go there and do no digging underground sonography like they are doing with the pyramids in Egypt now. There would be game wardens on boats in the sound there making sure folks kept their catches under the limits. I don’t see any reason why they would stop on Fig Island. I have an old clipping from the Charleston newspaper that mentioned finding a conch shell knife on Edisto Island, and the knife then going in the Charleston Museum on Meeting Street in downtown Charleston. There might be artifacts like that on Fig. It is right off of NE Edisto. I recommend visiting and studying it before it gets possibly undermined by the public, criterion contamination-style so to speak in psychological testing, a course I took at Ga Tech where Richard and I went.


    Armenia, Romania, and Turkey do have cranial deformation in the Neolithic, and Y Haplogroup X is found in the Mesolithic Natufian and Levant cultures. It seems Y haplogroup R and mtDNA haplogroup X definitely came to America from the East, possibly the Azores.
    However, I haven’t found any evidence of cranial modification in the Canaries, where indigenous Azores people seem to survived as the Gaunches.

    I’m still leaning toward the practice coming from Oceana, since Native South Americans, Micronesians, and Papuans share a ghost population who seem to have possessed naturally elongated skulls as well as high levels of Denisovan and “Mystery Hominid” (A hybrid of homo heidelbergensis and homo erectus).

    The continued practice of Hand Stencil cave art displaying amputated fingers ( a sign of mourning) begins 42,000 years ago in Spain, continues 39,000 years ago in Sulawesi, and continues into Kisar Island (North of Australia), on into Australia (Arnhem Land) and is still practiced by Papuans of 100% Aurignacian Cro-Magnon Y DNA (Y haplogroup C).

    The youngest remnants of this “Hand Stencil/Amputation” red ochre culture can be found in PNG, Australia, and Patagonia. Some are only a few centuries old, but they’re no longer found anywhere else. The Patagonian natives the caves are associated with are recorded as being very tall, around 6 1/2 feet, even to this day.

    Interestingly, i think they are also one of the groups with a trace of the YAP morhism in their DNA.

    During the Kennewick Man debates, it was argued that Y haploup DE had never entered North America despite the Ainu features and apparent Sundadonty. Now they have found Y Haplogroup DE at low levels in many N. American tribes.

    And pottery from Savannah, Japan, and Venezuela have striking similarities

    Some interesting info on Otamid skulled people in America.

    The Karankawa were an extinct tribe with “ghost population” traits and “Otamid” skulls:


    What’s your thoughts on those people being from Phoenicians who arrived around 3,300 years ago from across the Atlantic right around the time when the mound builders suddenly began constructing elaborate pyramid tombs and implementing cultural elements that strongly resemble Ancient Egypt? Examples include:

    The combination of an eagle and a serpent into a Feathered Serpent (Phoenix), the headdresses on the heads of the Olmec Twins which appear like cobras not native to the Americas (complete with an object on the frontal lobe that resembles Tut’s vulture and cobra), as well as indigenous stories of Kukulkan or Quetzalcoatl coming from across the land of the rising sun with pointed shoes on a serpent)? The Phoenicians had dragons on the front of their boats. The Ancient Egyptians also bound the heads of their children. Queen Nefertiti had an elongated skull because her father was a Phoenician. Her had was designed to the shape of her head. This seems to coincide with the dawn of the Guatemalan Snake Kings also who took over the Mayan Civilization led by an “Owl Spearthrower”.

    Among the Cherokee one of the seven clans was called the Anitawodi (Hawk People), shortened to Aniwodi. They made the Red Paint for war and were the clan conjurors came from. A fascinating linguistic connection is in the fact that word “Wodi” can be found in variants from the Phoenicians up north to through the Scythians into Slavic and Nordic lands. The Phoenicians called their wizards “Kwodi” (singular as Kwodan). With the Scythians it was Wodi (plural) or Wodan (singular). The Slavic tribes called them Bogi (plural) and Bogdan (singular) and the Vikings used the word Godi (singular) or Godan (plural). The god Odin was a Scythian wizard or Wodan and he is where the Germanic-English words “God” and “Good” come from. This might also explain how the Cherokee came to use Ani for “A people” just as the Ancient Anatolians did. They even called their capital city “Ani”. The Cherokee also, interestingly enough, have a traditional story of the Ani’adawodi (Conjuror People) who lived at the tops of mountains, kept bees, and ruled cruelly over the people who lived in the valleys below. As the story goes a young warrior from the valley people was madly in love with a young woman. She was said to be extraordinarily beautiful and the cruel priests took her, raped her repeatedly among themselves, and then sent her back to him damaged emotionally when they were finished with her. Enraged, he rallied other warriors and together they slaughtered the priesthood, eliminating them entirely. They only spared their women and made them into a Clan. The story doesn’t say which clan their women became but I would suspect they became the Anitawodi because that clan was known for women with long curved hawkish noses, taller body types, and a lighter skin complexion.

    • My gut feeling is that there was a two way exchange of peoples and ideas across the Atlantic via “Atlantis” in the Azores. Mummies and pyramids in Peru long predate those in Egypt and the Middle East.


        Which pyramids and mummies in the Americas are the oldest and what dating has been attributed to them?

        • The Chinchorro mummies were first discovered in Chile’s Atacama Desert in 1917, remnants of the Chinchorro people who once lived along the coasts of northern Chile and southern Peru. These are the oldest mummies ever found, dating back to 5,000 to 7,000 BC — more than a couple of thousand years older than mummies in Egypt. The earliest earthen pyramids in Peru date from around 4000 BC. By 3500 BC, round earthen pyramids were being built in Louisiana and Georgia.


            Wow, didn’t realize it went that far back in South America. What are the mounds or earthen pyramids in Louisiana and Georgia dating that far back. Is the Emerald Mound of the Natchez one of them?

          • No, the Emerald Mound dates from the 1500s AD.


      Bilbo midden mound is older than 3,600 B.C. and 3300 BC is earlier than I’ve heard for Pheonicians even in most of the Old World. Wikipedia gives them a date of 2500 BC.

      Whoever built Bilbo mound in Savannah likely had a presence here well before 3,600 BC. Ever notice how the “dawn of civilization” in the Tigress.Euphrates and Mesopotamia and many other places starts at exactly 3600 BC?

      This is because just before 3600 B.C., global sea levels had rapidly risen from 50 meters below present to 50 meters above present and then back down to around current level. All of these cultures are on the coasts, and they likely had civilizations on the former coasts before they were washed away. Ur and Bilbo mound are both rebuildings made by a culture that was already present beforehand.

      The oldest pyramid is Gunnang Padang at 20 thousand years in Java, Indonesia. The earliest midden mound cultures are in Australia and SE Asia, beginning 40 thousand years ago or earlier. The earliest head binding rituals are in Kow Swamp, Australia circa 20,000 years ago.

      Melanesians, Japanese, and S. Americans share “Mystery Hominid” ancestry. Surui Native Americans make wooden houses almost exactly like Melanesians and Polynesians and they have the most of this introgression. they also look alot more like Polynesians than their neighbors and have the most Denisovan and Mystery Hominid introgression of Native Americans.

      Feugians make the same hand-stencil art as Australian Aborigines and Papuans, and practice the finger amputation mourning ritual. Just like the paleolithic ancestors of Australians, they are extremely tall and one group still averages 6’5 among males. Wikipedia lists several other similarities between them and Australoids. These hand stencils have only been found in a few other places; Catalonia Spain, Sarawak, and the Islands around Timor-Leste (Nussa Tungara). All three of these places have a modern presence of Y Haplogroup C, which is the modal haplogroup of Australian Aborigines, Australoid Papuans, and the original cro-magnons of Europe. Feugians also use Timor-Leste style harpoons and hunt whales with the same method used in East Nussa Tengara.

      head-binding was practiced in Melanesia, Polynesia, New Guinea, Australia, and the East Coasts of mainland Asia. A Korean woman from the Silla culture was found to possess the skull shape with no evidence whatsoever of artifial manipulation. Some of the Kow Swamp skulkls may have the shape naturally as well, but even if they don’t they share several traits with Homo Erectus Soloensis and Rhodesian Man so we can easily ascertain the source of their cranial aesthetics.

      Groups dominated by Y haplogroup C or showing shared traits with this “cro-magnon hand-stencil” culture also have the highest rates of Microcephalin D.
      Most S. American populations have 100%, Papuans have 70-100%, Oroqen C Dominant Chinese have 100%.
      Microcephalin D is a brain gene that introgressed into our species from a sibling species that broke off 1.1 million years ago and is not Denisovan or Neanderthal (Homo Ereectus?).

      I don’t think Y Haplogroup C was the only haplogroup in this culture, and it likely began with a now extinct haplogroup. However, though we know it once was spread throughout Europe and Asia it’s now only dominant in areas of Oceana and SE Asia.

      The cro-magnon version of Haplogroup C was the most widespread haplogroup among Cro-Magnons, but today is only found in a few Spaniards and Basques, an isolated Nepalese tribe, and a few Japanese on one isolated Island. But whereever these guys were, a bunch of Microcephalin D has been left behind.

      Having said that, it does indeed seem to me that Y haplogroup R, possibly Y haplogroup T, and definitely mt DNA Haplogroup X came to America from Europe. I just don’t know when. There may have been two exchanges, during both the Solutrean and the Bronze Age.

      What geneticists need to realize that invading males kill other male DNA. They headhunt and exterminate. Just because a haplogroup isn’t in America now doesn’t mean it wasn’t before. Otherwise we would have oodles and oodles more Y Haplogroup C in Europe. It’s basically the ONLY haplogroup we find in true Aurignacian Cro-Magnons and was still present in Spain only 10,000 years ago.

      BTW, no one mentions the fact that many Native American tribes have a small presence of Y Haploigroup DE (YAP Positive). This is the DNA of the Japanese Ainu, most Tibetans, and almost certainly Kennewick Man’s great grandfather (before Kennewqick man’s culture had been invaded).

      • Thank you very much for your detailed information. That is why we created this website.


    The case of C ydna and C1 Mtdna is proof that the firsts European upper paleolithic people where most closely related to the Native American UPL in the Americas, and Europe, in fact NAs, are more closely related to paleo and mesolithic Eueopean people, than modern day Europeans. scattered thru-out the eurasian homeland.

    • Before using more pejorative language, you better read more of our articles about the Uchee, Georgia Petroglyphs and linguistics. There are no DNA test markers for the Muskogean tribes of the Southeast and the Uchee. We are just trying to find out who we are. Many of us in Georgia are Creek-Uchee. The Uchee consistently have said that they came across the Atlantic from the Home of the Sun. Most of Georgia’s petroglyphs are absolutely identical to Bronze Age petroglyphs in SW Ireland, Sjoland, Denmark and southern Sweden. All but two of the pre-Colonial period glyphs on the Track Rock Gap petroglyphs can be found at the Nykoping, Sweden petroglyph site, which has been dated at 2000 BC. The Alekmani People on the Altamaha River in Georgia told the French at Fort Caroline that their name meant “Medicine People.” “Medicine People” in Archaic Swedish, but not Archaic Danish, was Alek Mani. Jag kan taler Svenska.


      Actually, the Haplogroup C Y DNA in Native Americans is C2. C2 is more akin to that of Oroqen Chinese and some Inner Mongolian peoples, who share many cultural traits with certain Amerindian tribes. These are mainly Na-dene and Inuit tribes.

      The Y haplogroup C in Europe is C1. It had a strong European presence until the Neolithic, but today can only be found in a handful of European males.
      C1 is more like that of Australians and SE Asians, as well as a few Japanese and Nepalis, It’s also found in the Aurignacian (early Cro-Magnon) of Europe and central Asia, including the 67,000 year old Ust’Ishim Man.
      Having said so, I would not be surprised if C1 were eventually found in fossil Feugians or somewhere in Patagonia.

      MtDNA haplogroup C came in a different wave of immigration from Y Haplogroup C. It’s a descendant of haplogroup M, with an origin in NE South Asia. The only presence in Europe is among a few extinct Vikings (a.k.a. female slave traders), with an entry date after the voyages of Erik the Red and Leif Erikson. It did have a presence in Russia 7500 years ago, but today is extinct in Russia except for the particular strand that was later re-introduced by Vikings. It is found mainly in a few Siberian tribes and native Americans.

      But those are just two of the waves of immigration that happened in different time periods.

      How and when did the Y hap R1 get here? It’s now marginalized in Europe to the Basques, Irish, Scotts, and Lapps but is all up and down the East Coast of America. R2 pushed it to the fringes of Europe during the Iron Age, and then beyond. And what about Y Haplogroup T? The Pheonicians had a significant amount but the Colonial Powers did not, and there’s virtually none in East or South-East Asia.

      I wonder how much R1 and other Non-Q haplogroups within Y Haplogroup K we will find in Creek and Yuchi people. I would bet it’s significant, and that the distribution will not match up with the demographics of any Colonial power who visited here.


    Richard, Has anyone thought about starting a study group using their Ancestry results? We know we have Indian but almost no record kept. Mom was the last of her kind in our family to be Scottish/American and also have Japanese, Sami, Tibet, South American, North American, all of the above… with us growing up thinking we were European. Then turn out we her kids have less than half European. No known relatives or stories of relatives other than two Native Americans of unknown tribe(s.) Every person on earth replaced another person on earth, wave after wave. I find the current culture of conflict stifling and non-productive. Glad you are doing something tangible about it. I will continue to focus on your work and appreciate your videos.

    • Yes, the Uchee descendants have a study group and a Facebook site.


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