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Snapshot: Creek cousin in the audience

Snapshot:  Creek cousin in the audience


Chiapas Highlands – Northeast Georgia

Toward the end of the concert in the previous video from Mexico, be looking for this woman.  She is a descendant of one of the Mexican tribes that are our cousins. They look very different from typical Mexican Mestizos, the Nahuatls (aka Aztecs) or Yucatec Mayas.  She also could easily be one of my cousins in Florida or a Seminole lady.   I saw indigenous peoples in three places that looked like someone from my mother’s family or the Hitchiti Seminoles . . .  northeast of Villahermosa, Tabasco, where the Tamulte (Tamatli Creeks) live . . .  in the Chiapas Highlands near the border with Guatemala  . . . and in southwestern Vera Cruz where the Creek Migration Legend begins.   One lady in Chiapas was almost identical to my grandmother.  I took a picture of her. These tribes eat grits and hush puppies, plus celebrate a Green Corn Festival on the Summer Solstice.  On right is a photo of me at age 17 before I got really ugly.   You can see that this lady and I had the same facial features, except that she is pretty. 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.



    Mestizos are not the original mayans nor creeks. Mestizo literally genetic mixture. Similar to the mongoloid term. Indians were documented as Negros in almost all of the colonial text. Verazano and De soto both said verbatim that the Indians of America were “Tall dark and swarthy much similar to the Ethiopians.” Not looking for any friction, I love your work but my family has over 300 years of oral history and we already know that the Natives we see today were put there and that the Negro of North and South America have been reclassified from Aboriginal to Indian to Colored to Negro to Black to African American my family also own over 2,000 acres of land in choctaw and upper creek country that we have been residing on for centuries migrating up and down the rivers adjusting to colonization. I understand you have your history, but you must accept the total truth. It’s in all the writings, most of the South American temples depict us, some even have dread locks, and lets not mention the olmecs along with the millions of Dark pigmented people who inhabit north, south, and the surrounding islands of America.

    • The Upper Creeks did not live with or next to the Choctaw. About 200 miles of territory, occupied by other provinces separated them. The river basins occupied by the Upper Creeks did not flow into Choctaw territory. What are the names of the provinces between the Choctaws and the Upper Creeks?


    Richard, I have NO way of saying what the DNA mixture is for Native peoples West of the Mississippi until they agree to submit their DNA samples. However with that being said the artwork of Teotihuacan (the largest city of the America’s until the 19th century) does indicate many skin tones. The Spaniards of the 15-16 century had one main leader… the Pope who has on many occasions given orders to his faithful to subjugate or kill all that did not want to be part of the Roman church. The church was just one factor from Europe that has supported “a tail of lies” about history. Their works has to be read with a large dose of salt. Thanks for your Good works. Do you know of any Native peoples that wore this type of turban? It was likely this Dutch artist was conveying the appearance some of the peoples that the Dutch Indian co. kidnapped from the Americas.

    • I don’t know of any Southeastern or South American peoples, who wore that style turban. It looks rather Medieval European.


        Thank you for your reply. The Dutch seemed done with their kidnapping operation by the time they lost New York in 1653…however they might be the factor that had a silver mining operation in N.W Georgia reported by one of the first men of Jamestown to make it to the Tennessee river. That painting might be one of the “moon eyed or Grey eyed people” spoken of in Lore by the Native Elders. ”

        “Mooney cites two further independent accounts from Cherokee individuals of his time, of a people who lived north of the Hiwassee River when the Cherokee arrived there, and then went west; one of these describes them as a “very small people, perfectly white”.
        Two early histories published after Barton’s work mention the term “moon-eyed people.” Both Ezekial Sanford’s History of the United States Before the Revolution and B.R. Carroll’s Historical Collections of South Carolina cite James Adair (historian), in attributing the term “moon-eyed people” to Cherokee tradition.”…as the Chattahoochee river was written down as the Hi-tanachi by Mr. brigstock from the Apalachi people….there seems to be a connection with the “Hi” sound of the Hiwassee river area and the Chattahoochee.


    Richard, I have for a long time believed in mass migrations by Sea that have been overlooked by universities. This ancient mega stone block site in central Mexico seems to have been from Para (Peru) long ago. Very little research has been done so far on this massive Peruvian stone work city:


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