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The Red-Haired Giants . . . both kinds

The Red-Haired Giants . . . both kinds

 

Background information for the next article on Teotihuacan

The internet is filled with articles about a race of giants with red hair, which once inhabited the earth. In fact, giants are mentioned several times in the Hebrew Torah, such as in the Nephilem in the Book of Genesis and Goliath in the Book of Samuel. There is no mention of giants in the Christian New Testament.  However, many, if not most cultures around the world have dim memories of giants, while seven feet tall indigenous Americans exist until this day. Scandinavian pagans had their ice giants and trolls.  The Greeks had many giants in their mythology.  The best known is the Cyclopes. One of the divisions of the Maori People of New Zealand are a red-haired tribe, the Patupaiarehe, which was living there, when the Polynesians arrived.  Tibetans have their Yeti.  Many Sub-Saharan African Peoples have cultural memories of giant humans. The Northwest Pacific Coast tribes have their Sasquatch. The Aztecs believed that the Quinametzin giants built the great pyramids at Cholula and Teotihuacan,  yet hunted down the ancestors of the Upper Creeks, the tall Tolteca Peoples, like they were animals.  The Gaels, Britains, Picts and Gallic peoples also had many giants in their mythology.

That there was until fairly recently, a distinct, very tall, big brained, red haired race at several locations around the Earth, is not a theory, but a fact.  In early 2018, extracted DNA from over two dozen Paracusa mummies in Peru were analyzed by three, highly respected genetic laboratories.  All three found the place of origin of these redheads to be east of the Black Sea.   That is the same general region, which the ancestors of the Hebrews originated.  That there was a race of red-haired brutes up to 15 tall, who had the cultural sophistication of Neanderthals, is another matter.  They may have existed, but the excuse for no giant troglodyte skeletons being exhibited in museums or anthropology books is always “government coverup.”   Well, yes, there is definitely a redhead coverup going on in New Zealand, but no one claims that these redheaded pioneers in New Zealand were barbaric giants reaching 10 to 15 tall.   Like so much else the People of One Fire is researching,  wackos and aardvarks have changed scientific research of this red headed race into a religious war between heretics and Pharisees.  LOL 

There is an amusing aspect to the legion of web articles on “mysterious tall Indians” in the Southeast.  These articles repeatedly talk about a “lost race” of mound builders in Georgia, who averaged a foot taller than Europeans. The authors conclude that these must have been Europeans or Muslim Arabs (depending on the author) because these “mysterious Indians” wore turbans, mustaches and beards.  Lots of indigenous tribes with Mexican roots wore mustaches and beards.  Look at the Spanish drawings of the Aztec Emperor Moctezuma.  There are turbans on 8,000 year old Peruvian mummies.  Mystified pseudo-historians . . . those tall Indians were us . . . the Creek Indians and we are still around, big time.   The problem is that the leaders of the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma, until very recently, have done a poor job of educating the American public about Creek cultural history.  The Southeastern Creeks are now doing the job for them.

Inept photo editing! The shadow of the man is 90 degrees different than the shadows of the skeleton.

Two types of Red-haired Giants in cultural memories

The majority of articles present images of 8 to 15 feet tall, brutish humanoids with supposedly, two rows of teeth.  They lived in caves.  They are typically described as having six toes and six fingers.

There are a legion of photos floating around, which portray giant skeletons next to people of normal size.  All have been proven to be faked.  It was possible to merge two photos together long before the invention of such photo-editing softwares as PhotoShop.

The most recent story on the web about red-haired giants described a purported battle in 2002 between such a giant, living in a cave in Kandahar Province, Afghanistan  and a Recon Squad of U.S. Marines.  A Youtube video claims to contain interviews with the surviving soldiers.  They state that the body of the Redhaired Giant was delivered to their commanding officers and it was immediately whisked to some laboratory in the United States.  All eyewitnesses were forced to sign a 20 year non-disclosure agreement . . . thus the identities and faces of the soldiers are concealed by the film-maker.  There are no photos of the battle site or giant.  The story could be true, but would be extremely easy to fake.

 

The Tehuelche People of Patagonia are not quite this tall, but like the Creeks in Georgia, were much taller than Europeans at the time of contact.

The documented super-sized humans

There is another type of red haired giant in the Americas, whose males ranged from 6 feet to over 7 feet and originally had supersized brains.  Their mixed blood descendants in Mexico and the Southeastern United States were bright, but apparently few had the supersized skulls.  Those in Peru, Mexico and the Southeastern United States were associated with advanced civilizations.  Those in the Southwest are remembered by surviving tribes as being barbaric and cannibals.  The barbaric part may be demonization of an enemy.  The cannibal part may be true may be true for Mexico and the Southwest, but not the Southeast.  We will explain later.

A consistent presumption among those who those who treat red-haired giants in the Americas as a religion is that indigenous Americans are much shorter than Europeans.  This is true for some tribes, especially in steamy tropical climates, but certainly not the rule.  Thus, when they see that male skeletons at Etowah Mounds were 6-7 feet tall,  they immediately assume that the mounds were built by Caucasian giants or Vikings!   The reader might think that I am joking, but the Youtube videos that describe Etowah Mounds as a town built by Caucasian giants has far more viewership than my scholarly video on the subject.

This is not a religious tradition or surrealistic myth.  Several Creek leaders of the 1700s and early 1800s were described by British and French colonial officials as being in the range of seven feet tall. The military commander of the Pro-British faction of Upper Creeks in the American Revolution was seven feet tall and 93, when he was killed during the American Patriot siege of Savannah.  Seven feet tall skeletons were found at several ancestral Creek town sites.  These were on display at public museums, until NAGPRA forced their re-burial.  In Lovelock Cave, Nevada, where Paiutes remember a band of red-haired giants making a last stand,  archaeologists found 15″ long sandals.  The other artifacts uncovered in Lovelock Cave were typical of indigenous Americans . . . not extraterrestrials.  At 6′-3″, I wear Size 13″ Wide shoes.   A Size 15″ feet probably belonged to someone around 6′-6″ to 6′-7″.   There are plenty of Upper Creek men in Alabama that height.

The tall Tehuelche People of Patagonia lost much of their population during the Spanish Colonial Period due to European diseases.  Their DNA had been analyzed and found to be a mixture of American Indian and Australoid.   The few surviving indigenous peoples of Tierra del Fuego to the south of Patagonia have been found to be mostly Australoid.   However, there is no evidence of a direct connection between the Tehuelche and the Creeks, so we will focus on Peru and Mexico. 

Neither the journalists, who periodically write attention-getting articles on “new genetic discoveries about Native American ancestors” nor the commercial labs, which process millions of consumer-oriented DNA samples a year, tell the public this important fact.  Standard DNA testing involves the comparison between the individual and known DNA test samples around the world, which are held by GENTECH.  Consumers receive reports that tell them that they are 70% Slobovian and 30% Zambezie.  The reality is that the lab’s computer said that they were certain percentages LIKE those peoples, not that their ancestors WERE those peoples. There are NO DNA test samples for the Southeastern indigenous peoples.  That means that if Seminole woman pays for a commercial test,  she only will be told how similar her genetic makeup is to DNA test samples of tribes located elsewhere in the Americas . . . not her true, total indigenous ancestry.  Thus, commercial DNA tests of Southeastern tribes, particularly the Uchee, Creeks and Seminoles are almost meaningless.

Paracas Skulls . . . the Paracusa

Skulls from what was called by Spaniards, the Paracas People, have fascinated the public for several generations.  Forensic anthropologists have determined that the pure Paracas DNA skulls were not the result of artificial deformation, because they contain several key differences than most homo sapiens skulls.  In pure Paracas skulls, the position of the foramen magnum is completely different than a normal human being, it is also smaller, which lends itself to our theory that this is not cradle headboarding, this is genetic. In addition, some of the Paracas skulls have a very pronounced zygomatic arch (cheek bone), different eye sockets and no sagittal suture, which is a connective tissue joint between the two parietal bones of the skull.”

Initial DNA testing of three skulls in museums found that the oldest was about 2,000 years old and the youngest was about 800 years old.  These skulls were subject to a comprehensive genetic analysis, not comparative DNA testing.  At the end of the project,  the geneticists announced that some of the DNA in the skulls was unlike any known on earth.  However, the rest was known human DNA test markers and the results were surprising:

“Only the mitochondrial DNA (DNA from the mother’s side) could be extracted. Out of four hair samples, one of them couldn’t be sequences. The remaining three hair samples all showed a Haplogroup (genetic population group) of H2A, which is found most frequently in Eastern Europe, and at a low frequency in Western Europe. The bone powder from the most elongated skull tested came back as T2B, which originates in Mesopotamia and what is now Syria, essentially the heart of the Fertile Crescent. “

A larger number of Paracas skulls were tested in 2017 and early 2018.  The unclassifiable DNA, identified in the first study, was ignored.  The classifiable DNA was found to have been located in the region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea over 3,000 years ago.  Most of the mummies, where blood analysis was possible had A+ or AB+ blood type.   Indigenous Americans from Alabama and Georgia southward typically have O+ blood.   Several of the oldest skulls showed previous intermarriage with peoples from the Indus Valley, Southeast Asia and Polynesia.  The newer the Paracas skulls in Peru, the greater the presence of typical American Indian DNA.

Although capable of creating sophisticated architecture,  hydraulic systems and the massive effigies on the Nazca Plain,  the Paracusa seemed to have a problem with reproduction.  Their numbers did not increase significantly between their arrival in Peru around 1000 BC and their departure around 200 BC.  Their massive frames and huge brains would have required prodigious amounts of animal protein.  Can  you imagine being a Paracusa mother, trying to deliver one of those big-headed babies?  The need for protein and iron in a desert, devoid of livestock or even large mammals, may be the origin of human sacrifice in the Americas.   Did the Paracusa establish themselves as “gods” among much more numerous American Indians then demand periodic sacrifice of human blood and flesh to fuel their disproportionate dietary needs?   Think about it.  Both the Moche Culture of Peru and the Aztecs in Mexico carried out frequent human sacrifices in order to “feed their gods.”   There were tribes in Florida, which sacrificed their first born babies to the elite families, who were extremely tall.

Several sections of these two Paracas skulls are very different from homo sapiens and each other.

In the films from Peru about the Paracas skulls,  I noticed something that has not apparently been discussed.  A few of the oldest Paracas skulls had entirely different physical features.  Most Paracas skulls look like “extraterrestrials” or the inspiration for the head attire of Egyptian pharaohs, except notice how the jaws and teeth jut out in the middle skull above . . . like a primitive ancestor of man in Africa a million years ago. That is a strange combination . . . super-sized brain,  sloping brow and a chimpanzee mouth.  It was like some mad extraterrestrial scientist was experimenting with primate and human DNA.

A few of the skulls are extremely large and have massive jaws which seem to match descriptions of the first type of red-haired giant we discussed at the beginning of the article.  They seem like different species. One could imagine those brutish skulls being atop a 10 feet tall Goliath. Did at some point the Paracusa’s mutate, creating a genetically imprinted warrior class?  Archaeologists have subterranean, kiva-like houses where Paracusa lived.  Were those only the homes of sunlight-sensitive brutes?  It would explain why elsewhere,  the Redheaded Giants were always associated with caves.  They were night hunters.  It sounds like the plot of a science fiction movie, but one cannot deny the extreme difference in the two skulls.  The one below in the first frame of the video is even more different than the brute.

The Tolteca of Mexico

There were definitely several types of super-sized people in Pre-Columbian Mexico.  (1) The Aztecs gave credit to the Quinametzin giants for the founding of all the major towns around the Valley of Mexico, plus construction of the pyramids at Teotihuacan and Cholula.  the Quinametzin populated the world during the previous era of the Sun of Rain (Nahui-Quiahuitl). A Quinametzin stood more than 10 feet tall and weighed about 650 pounds. They were punished by the gods because they did not venerate them, and their peak-civilization came to an end as a result of great calamities and as a punishment from the heavens for grave sins they had committed.

Although much less known than those at Teotihuacan, the Great Pyramid of Cholula is the largest pyramid in the world, indeed, it’s the largest monument ever constructed anywhere, by any civilization. Not just the Aztecs, but all indigenous peoples in Mexico have a tradition that construction of the pyramid began around 300 BC with the arrival of giants from the south.

(2)  The Aztecs believed that these giant demi-gods and intermarried with the locals.  Their mixed-blood descendants were called Toltecatl, which the Spanish shortened to Tolteca.  Toltecatl can be interpreted as the people of Teotihuacan (actually named Tula),  the People of the second town, named Tula, which was the capital of the Toltecatl, or merely, “town dwellers.  The Toltecatl were rather tall, plus typically scholars, artisans, poets or military leaders, but were not as tall or as supernaturally brilliant as the Quinametzin.

(3) The Totonacu, which the Aztecs called the Totonacatl and the Spanish called Totonaca, stated that they had arrived in Vera Cruz from northwestern Mexico about seven Mesoamerican centuries earlier (c. 300 BC).  They claimed to be the former elite of Teotihuacan, who founded El Tajin around 600 AD, after being driven out of Teotihuacan . . . which they called Tula.  The Totonacu did not remember the giants who founded Tula as being irreverent of the gods, but rather the commoners rebelling against the gods and then being punished.

(4) The Tequestecatl (Aztec) or Tequesta (Spanish) were rural kin of the Tolteca and extremely tall.  They were also considered offspring of the “giants” who founded the major cities of Central Mexico, but lived simpler lifestyles than the Tolteca.  They consisted of several provinces and bands southeast and northwest of the Valley of Mexico.  The biggest concentration was in the vicinity of the Orizaba Volcano . . . which happens to be the starting point of the Kaushete (Upper Creek) migration legend.  The Tequesta put up fierce resistance to the Nahuatl invaders of Central Mexico after the abandonment of Teotihuacan.  Perhaps because they were substantially taller than the Aztecs, the Aztecs hated them particularly.  Once the Aztec Empire had become powerful, they began an ethnic cleansing program that almost made the Tequesta extinct.  This is the probable reason that the ancestors of the Kaushete Creeks fled Mexico and headed toward the Mississippi River Basin.

Codex Vaticanus B: A group of Natives kill a giant NW of Tenochtitlan. Note that the giant has a creased skull like the Paracas skulls and no hair.

In 2016, The Insitituo de Antropologia E Historia de Mexico became interested in the few surviving Tolteca bands in Mexico. Their villages re located in remote mountainous regions of Nuevo Leon, Jalisco and western Vera Cruz.  While telling the public for generations that no one knew what language was spoken at the Tolteca capital  of Tula, actually . . . no one has ever documented the language(s) spoken by the few surviving Toltecas! The INAH announced its intent to also examine their DNA samples, but so far no reports on the remnant Tolteca have been published, so I can’t compare Tolteca to Muscogean languages.  Right now the two Mexican languages most similar to Creek are Totonaca, Tamulte and Itzate.

 

Massive statues of Toltec warriors are on top of the largest temple a Tula. Erich Von Danikan labeled them “alien astronauts!”

The Creeks and Calusa of the Southeastern United States

At my orientation meeting with Dr. Román Piña Chán, director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia,  I gave him a copy of Emma and Mary Funderburk’s book,  Sun Circles and Human Hands.  He strummed through the book and became intrigued. He told me that the Proto-Creek motifs on temples and tattoos were identical to those of the Toltecas.  Yet the copper and shell art designs were like those of the Highland Mayas and the pottery seemed to be from places far away . . . so far as to seem impossible.  He didn’t say this, but I now know that the Deptford pottery looked like Corded Beakerware from Ireland and Sweden, but the stamped pottery was very similar to the stamped pottery of the Conibo People of Peru.  For reasons unknown,  I can still remember him rising from his office desk and pulling the book that he wrote on the Toltecas off a shelf.  Sure enough . . . everyone of the motifs in a frieze around the Temple of the Warriors at Tula can be found either at Moundville, AL or Etowah Mounds, GA.

Both Teotihuacan and the Creek town of Potauli, near Columbus, GA, were aligned to the Pleiades.

Occasionally,  residents of Savannah would ask their Creek neighbors why Creek men were so told.  The Creeks would tell them that in earlier times, they had repeated visits from extremely tall humans that had traveled from a planet near another sun.  If it was at night, he would point to the Pleiades.  Sometimes the visitors and Creeks would have connubial relationships.  The resulting offspring would have characteristics of both peoples.   Of course, at this point the British colonist would be rolling in the floor laughing.

Gorget worn by a Keeper of the Wind Clan

It sounds preposterous, BUT in 1735 the Creeks . . . even though they had been stripped of much of their advanced culture by the European Disease Holocaust,  knew much more about astronomy than Europeans.  They knew about the existence of an almost infinite number of galaxies and solar systems.  They knew that there were many planets with intelligent beings on them.  The symbol of the Creek Wind Clan was a spiral galaxy, surrounded by stars and other galaxies.  Both Teotihuacan and Potauli (Singer-Moye Site) are aligned to the Pleiades.

If the Red-Haired Giants were part extra-terrestrial,  I don’t think that they were the same extraterrestrials, who got to know the Toltecas and Creeks in a Biblical way.  Both the Toltecas and the Upper Creeks are tall and lanky with raptor like faces.  In fact, the Upper Creeks were known as the Eagle Warriors.  The look nothing like the Paracusa people of Peru.   And yet . . . both the Apalache in North Georgia and many provinces along the coast of South Carolina and Georgia called their High King . . . Paracusa, which in Panoan means “Ocean – strong or elite.”

There is more.  There is a Creek tradition that our buddies from up there in the sky were coming so often that they built star gates on three round temple mounds . . . Rembert Mounds near Elberton, GA . . . the Great Spiral Mound near Macon, GA  . . . the Kenimer Mound in the Nacoochee Valley.   I plotted these out with ERSI and came up with a perfect triangle.  In fact,  all the major Proto-Creek towns across 400 miles of terrain are aligned to a triangular matrix.   You go figure?

The elite of the powerful Calusa People of Southwest Florida were also very tall.   Their commoners apparently were originally another ethnic group and were only of medium height.  When asked by the Spanish why they were tall, they said that their ancestors came from the stars to rule people here on earth.  Calos is the Creek word for star.

The Utes and Paiutes in the Southwest

The Utes have a cultural memory of very tall strangers arriving in their region from the east and living in Parawan Canyon.  There is no memory of them being especially brutal.  These strangers are credited with teaching the Utes how to grow crops.   Parawan is a hybrid word, which combines the Peruvian word for ocean with the Ute word for People.   The equivalent word in the east is Apalache.  The Totonacs, Panoans and Creeks pronounced an R with such a hard roll that it sounded like an L to most Europeans outside of Iberia. 

As described in an earlier POOF article,  Parawan Gap contains many petroglyphs which are almost identical to petroglyphs in the Southern Appalachians,  particular those in the Nacoochee Gap in Georgia and Judculla petroglyphs in Georgia.  Judaculla is the Cherokee-nization of the Creek words Suda Kura, which means “the sky over the province of Kura.”   Cherokee tradition has “giants” living in the vicinity of the Judaculla Rock, when they first arrived in western North Carolina.

The Province of Kura was originally occupied by the Kura-Re and Tokah-Re (aka Curasee, Curahee, Tokase, Tuckabatchee).  Both tribes had Irish names and were known for the massive size of their men.  Dark red hair was also a common trait.  These Muskogean tribes moved south to the Chattahoochee and Tallapoosa Rivers during the Little Ice Age of the 1600s and early 1700s. They were leading members of the Creek Confederacy.

On the other hand, the Paiute’s have very negative memories of Red Haired Giants, who once occupied their land.   These Red Hair giants were described as being cannibalistic brutes, who lived in caves.  The last surviving band was cornered in Lovelock Cave and slaughtered. The Red Haired Giants could well have been cannibals.  As I pointed out, the protein requirements for being extremely tall and having large brains put them in an ecological disadvantage in the desert.   They may have resorted to eating smaller humans as a necessity for feeding their children. 

Although Red Giants Religion websites provide illustrations of 10 feet tall, red-haired cavemen,  the actual archaeological evidence at Lovelock Cave was quite different.   Guano miners found neatly buried mummies, wearing clothing, with heights from 6 feet to 6 feet – 6 inches in height.   That’s the typical height range of the Creek men encountered by De Soto and other European explorers in Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina and also today.  Archaeologists later found sandals up to 15 inches in length, which would correspond to a man about 6′-7″.  If the Southwestern archaeologists had known anything about the Southeastern Indians, they would have not spent so much energy over the past three decades trying to discredit their own discoveries.

There is more evidence that the Paiute memory of this red haired people being primitive brutes is dubious.  All archival evidence points to them being from an advanced civilization on the Pacific Coast of Peru.  Their name in Paiute,  Si-Te-Cah, means “Tule Reed – Eaters.”  This came from their practice of building reed boats and living on floating islands in lakes and marshes.  Neanderthal-like savages wouldn’t know how to build boats or platform villages on lakes!

Peruvian sea-going reed boat

In the sixteenth century, Spanish conquistador Pedro Cieza de León in Crónicas del Perú related story about the origin of the South American giants. According the story they “came by sea in rafts of reeds after the manner of large boats; some of the men were so tall that from the knee down they were as big as the length of an ordinary fair-sized man.”

As usual,  Wikipedia articles by anonymous, sophomoric academicians mock Native American legends and provide a dumbed-down description of the Americas’ past.   We quote from Wikipedia . . .

According to Paiute oral history, the Si-Te-Cah or Sai’i are a legendary tribe of red-haired cannibalistic giants. Mummified remains fitting the Paiute description were discovered by guano miners in Lovelock Cave in 1911. Adrienne Mayor writes about the Si-Te-Cah in her book, Fossil Legends of the First Americans. She suggests that the ‘giant’ interpretation of the skeletons from Lovelock Cave and other dry caves in Nevada was started by entrepreneurs setting up tourist displays and that the skeletons themselves were of normal size. However, about 100 miles north of Lovelock there are plentiful fossils of mammoths and cave bears, and their large limb bones could easily be thought to be those of giants by an untrained observer. She also discusses the reddish hair, pointing out that hair pigment is not stable after death and that various factors such as temperature, soil, etc. can turn ancient very dark hair rusty red.

Fact . . . the Tuckabatchee (Tokah-re) Creek men often ranged from 6″-3″ to 7′-0″ tall and had dark red or brown hair.  Many also had freckles.  In modern Muskogee, Tokahle means “freckled.”

Conclusion

For the meantime, the Native American legends about contacts and mating with extraterrestrials must remain in the realm of “projects to do when there is funding and appropriate technology.”   The phenomenal knowledge that early 18th century Creek Keepers had about the nature of the universe gives strong support for past contacts with extraterrestrial humanoids.

  • The existence of very tall, large brained humans with red or brown hair in the Americas is a fact proven by multiple burials in Peru, excavated by professional archaeologists.  They definitely existed in Peru.   The offspring of this tall sub-species of humans mixed with normal American Indian genes became several divisions of the Creek Confederacy.  Their descendants are alive and thriving today in the United States.
  • The existence of even taller, but far more primitive, red haired giants, who hunted humans, is an unproven possibility.  Certain skulls and skeletons unearthed by professional archaeologists in Peru suggest their existence.   The cultural memories of indigenous peoples in Mexico and the American Southwest reinforce that supposition.

 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

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  1. fiddler1861@aol.com'

    It just takes one person, a tribesman who is a gifted storyteller, to start a myth. Mummies of giant sloths {Megalonychids} are found in the American caves, with reddish hair still attached. They were indeed large and an unfamiliar species to the myth makers.

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    • Why do mentally-unbalanced people always try to be big shots on the internet? If Douglas Carson is your real name, you are a fraud. In multiple comments to POOF you have claimed to live on Pigeon Mountain and be a professional geologist and on the staff of the Fernbank Science Center. There are absolutely no professional papers or geological reports with your name on it, although you claimed to write many. The Georgia Secretary of State’s office has no record of licensing a geologist named Douglas Carson. They did find a licensed geologist by that name in Minnesota. They asked that I forward them all of your comments, where you claimed to be a professional geologist. It is a crime to claim to be a licensed geologist in public, when you are not. I tracked back your IPN address to Riggold, GA which is NOT at Pigeon Mountain. Before then you lived in Atlanta and Flintstone, GA. Flintstone is in the Chattanooga Valley near Lookout Mountain, not Pigeon Mountain. The staff of the Fernbank Science Center never heard of you. You are listed as being involved with neo-Confederate activities in NW Georgia.

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      • gadawgluver56@aol.com'

        Richard the sleuth. I think you should consider detective work as a second career. lol.

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  2. Reillyranch@aol.com'

    Great article, as usual you have stuck to the facts and followed where they lead. So many “professionals” ignore or dismiss the facts because it doesn’t fit into their preconceived notions. The truth is out there, and is often stranger than fiction.
    Thank you for your hard work and fearless presentation of the facts. Very few people can collect and process information as you have documented on the pages of POOF.

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    • Thank you sir. You are not going to get any answers to questions if you don’t ask the questions.

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  3. Ekorjack56@gmail.com'

    Hi Richard, this article was one i enjoyed most! And i love your response to the guy who tries to name it all a fairy tale…as if we havent had enough of that for a couple hundred years! They are just so obvious, arent they?

    Some months ago, i was a subscriber to an anthropology newsletter. Cant remember the name, and cant find it again. It seems i was dropped from the mailing list after i made a comment about a newsletter that really irritated me.

    The article was along the lines of the central american primitives being so backward that they sacrificed their children…since i know some people who are the descendents of those “primitives”, highly intelligent, creative, AND HUGELY FAMILY ORIENTED AND CHILD LOVING, i made a comment about why the blame is always put on the everyday people for the vile practice of child and human sacrifice, and no mention of the elite rulers who DEMANDED this practice…by coercion or force? Well, i dont think my comment was posted, because i sort of fell off the mailing list.

    Cant find it again, but i think i may have forwarded some of the articles to you (i think the “author”initials were A.A.)

    Just a little more fodder for my unconventional theory about what “happened” to these “great civilizations” (meaning the big guys enslaving the little guys)…namely, the little guys put down their tools and walked away. Perhaps they figured they and their beloved children could live better off their fish, bugs and pumpkins, as opposed to providing fresh meat for the gods.

    What was that saying…the meek shall inherit the earth….?

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  4. kkakins@gmail.com'

    I’m perplexed at the notion that the Smithsonian covers up all mounds discoveries and bones of so-called “giants.” Why would they do this if there wasn’t some sort of supernatural connection (like fallen angels in Gen. 6 mating with humans) that they don’t want people considering? I am not conspiracy-savvy as I have lived a pretty sheltered life, and I can’t think of any reason why the Smithsonian has confiscated so many artifacts and bones and kept them hidden. I’d like to read your viewpoint on that. And it’s not only the Smithsonian but also in other countries such as Sardinia where governments and the Vatican have covered up such discoveries. That makes me want to find out all the more what the reasons are!

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    • Karla, I really don’t know what the truth is. I read about the coverups, but the only ones that I have personal knowledge of coverups are the terrace complexes in Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina.

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  5. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, Another Great article ! Thanks for addressing the facts and Native Elders lore is important as well. The basic DNA code is very much like the ancient first “string script” created found being used in Virginia and Peru, so perhaps someone was very advanced for DNA research? Also Have you ever read an article about a site found in Mexico that went back to 200,000 years but the head person of the dig refused the carbon date data? It seems we are only told “the same old same old”. Ancient Teotihuacán and a China Royal site using liquid mercury…fireworks used in Virginia in the 16th century by the Natives…we have not been told the truth about ancient history yet.

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    • Mark, radiocarbon dating can only go back about 55,000 years, so I am not sure which site you are talking about in Mexcio. However, I can say that a large percentage of Mexican archaeologists disagree with the date of the first arrival of humans, adopted by Gringo archaeologists. They think that humans arrived in coastal regions of the Americas at the same time that they settled Australia . . . or at least 50,000 years ago. They are convinced that the first Americans were Australoids and Polynesians. If you recall, the lowest level of the Topper Site on the Savannah River was also about 50,000 years before the present, but Dr. Goodyear was blocked from mainstream archaeological publications and ridiculed by his peers. I also know for a fact that when underwater archaeologists found Neanderthal type artifacts and camp sites far out on the ocean floor from Sapelo Island, GA they were fired and the artifacts disappeared. Remember the shore of the ocean was 100 miles to the east of Sapelo Island in 50,000 BC.

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      • markveale@hotmail.com'

        http://www.bcvideo.com/new-evidence-supressed.html

        Here it is Richard….it seems once again the Universities refuse to accept multiple data of this site and that most likely places the first major cities back to 200,000 years ago…on this landmass. The topper site was far away from the coastline in the ancient days but still proves that man arrived here long before they advertise.

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    Richard T., Another great article. The stories of giants have been passed down many generations all over the world.
    Here’s something you and your readers would like to include in your research.

    In doing more research in the Pacific (Melanesian, Micronesian and Polynesian) myth and legends I came across the following:

    The Journal of The Polynesian Society – Volume 43, 1934

    Memoir No. 12.
    Supplement to the Journal of the Polynesian Society.
    The Migrations of a Pandanus People As traced from a preliminary study of Food, Food-traditions, and Food-rituals in the Gilbert Islands
    BY ARTHUR GRIMBLE, C.M.G., M.A.

    INSTALMENT No. 3.

    Quotes:
    “The man Te-uribaba swam ashore: he landed on Tonga; he gathered together the people to teach them the ways of fighting and battle; he taught them the craft of striking, and the craft of the spear, and the craft of all weapons, and all the ways of war. Mayhap there was no manner of fighting that he did not teach them. Much time passed, and they were skilled in battle, for he gave them all his skill. And after that, Te-uribaba arose and went to Butuna and Nuku-maroro, and all the people of those lands learned his skill. Never before Te-uribaba had those people any skill in war.”
    “And behold! a new generation grew up on Butuna, and Nuku-maroro, and Tonga, and they were all skilled in war.”
    “There came a time when the canoe went again to seek the first-born, the food of the kings of Samoa.”
    “Te-uribaba, he sailed northward until he came to Onotoa, and Nonouti, and Tabiteuea. There remain his descendants to this day.”

    One can see the similarities between the names Te-Uribaba, Ur-Zababa and Orizaba.
    The following quotes will show something surprising.

    From wikipedia Ur-Zababa quote:
    “Ur-Zababa is listed on the Sumerian King List as the second king of the 4th Dynasty of Kish. The king list also says Sargon of Akkad was a cup-bearer for Ur-Zababa before becoming ruler of Akkadian Empire.”

    From wikipedia Zababa quotes:
    “Zababa /ˈzɑːbɑːbɑː/ (Sumerian: 𒀭𒍝𒂷𒂷 dza-ba4-ba4) (also Zamama) is a war god who was the tutelary deity of the city of Kish in ancient Mesopotamia.”
    “Several ancient Mesopotamian kings were named in honor of Zababa, including Ur-Zababa of Kish (early patron of Sargon of Akkad, c. 2300 BCE) and Zababa-shuma-iddin (a 12th-century BCE Kassite king of Babylon).”
    “The Hittites applied the name ZABABA to various war gods, using their Akkadian writing conventions.”

    In the Micronesian Myth and Legends Te-Uribaba teached the people of Tonga, Butuna, and Nuku-Maroro the skill/art of war. In Sumeria and Mesopotamia Ur-Zababa was named after the war god Zababa.
    What does it have to do with giants you might ask. The following quote will answer that question.

    From KAPII – Onotoa Atoll – Community Training & Risk Assessment – Government of Kiribati (PDF) 1.7 Myths and Legends of Onotoa Island; quote:
    “The name of the island of Onotoa literally means ‘six giants’. The legend told of a hunchback woman from Tarawa living in a village of Nuatabu had six sons but often made fun of her deformation. She ran away and went south, came to an island (Onotoa) and lived at the southern part. This southern part is now known as Aiaki where the six sons found their mother and built her home by ‘piling up’ huge coral boulders. The remnants of the claimed earthwork can be seen today.”

    When you read the previous quotes from The Journal of The Polynesian Society you will remember the name “Onotoa” which is one of the islands where Te-Uribaba sailed to and where his descendants remain.
    There you have the giants (six giants or six sons of a hunchback woman from Tarawa) who piled up huge coral boulders which the remnants of the earthwork can be seen today. When you think about it; piled up boulders; earthwork by giants; it does seem to be similar to moundbuilding which it is said to be linked to giants.

    Note: “Onotoa, Nonouti, Tabiteuea: islands of the Southern Gilberts (Kiribati; formerly Gilbert Islands)”, “Tarawa: an island of the Northern Gilberts” – Kiribati (the Gilbert Islands) are to the north of Samoa.

    Source/Links:
    The Journal of The Polynesian Society – Volume 43, 1934 – Appendix 1 – The Migrations of a Pandanus People
    http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php?wid=2002&pn=91&action=pb
    http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php?wid=2002&pn=92&action=pb
    http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php?wid=2002&pn=93&action=pb
    http://www.jps.auckland.ac.nz/popup.php?wid=2002&pn=94&action=pb

    Wikipedia Ur-Zababa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Zababa

    Wikipedia Zababa
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zababa

    KAPII – Onotoa Atoll – Community Training & Risk Assessment – Government of Kiribati
    https://web.archive.org/web/20121024004522/https://climate.gov.ki/pdf/KAPII/KAPII – Onotoa Atoll – Community Training & Risk Assessment – Government of Kiribati.pdf

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