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The Surprising Connection Between Teotihuacan and Ireland

The Surprising Connection Between Teotihuacan and Ireland

 

The favorite sport of Ireland for at least the past 2000 years was also popular in Teotihuacan

The indigenous peoples of Mexico, for the past 500 years, have consistently stated that their first city and their first civilization began at Tepoztlán, Morelos . . . The “Olmec” Civilization was not “first” as all references tell you.  Years ago, when I spent two weeks during the Christmas holidays, at a hacienda just outside of  Tepoztlán, this is exactly what the people told me.  They also stick to the tradition that the first King Quetzacoatl was born in Tepoztlán . . . long, long ago.  That region has also been the scene of repeated UFO sighting in recent decades . . . making it a favorite location for filming science fiction movies.

Mexican and Gringo archaeologists chuckled at this tradition until three years ago.  Contractors working on a controversial expressway that skirts the foot of the Sierra de Cobre (Copper Mountains) immediately north of Tepotzlan, encountered ancient ruins. Archaeologists were brought in and immediately realized that they were looking at multiple cultural layers going back to ancient times.  What they found at the lowest level, however, was deeply disturbing.  There was architecture and artifacts unlike anything else “officially” found in Mexico. There was little cultural continuity between this occupation level and the strata above it. Newer levels showed a clear cultural connection to the evolution of indigenous Mesoamerican societies.

 Perhaps even more disturbing were the discoveries of INAH survey teams that went up into the rugged canyons of the Sierra de Cobre.  They found Bronze Age petroglyphic boulders and field stone shrines identical to those that we are identifying in the gold-bearing mountains of Northeast Georgia and that Irish archaeologists have identified in the gold-bearing mountains of southwestern Ireland.

Orders came down from the highest levels of the Mexican federal government to cover up the enigmatic ruins and reconstruct buildings over them that “looked like” typical indigenous Mesoamerican structures. Middle level archaeologists in the INAH were outraged.  Some lost their jobs in the literal “cover up.”  Federal officials would have succeeded in concealing the truth from researchers elsewhere, had not some of the Mexican archaeologists personally created videos for Youtube that told the truth.

Turning the clock backward to Teotihuacan

During my fellowship in Mexico I was directed to thoroughly study the ancient cities in the Valley of Mexico of Teotihuacan, Cholula, Copilco, Teneyuca, Nonoalco-Tlatilolco, Cuicuilco and Naucalpan . . . then return to the National Museum for a brown bag lunch show-and-tell session, with Dr. Piňa-Chan and some of his graduate students.  There was one question that the Mexican anthropologists couldn’t answer.  I couldn’t find any ballcourt in Teotihuacan . . . a city that had over 100,000 residents.  Back then as is the case now, a big deal is made over the “Mesoamerican ball game.”  It involves two competing teams hitting a rubber ball with parts of their body until one team successfully knocks the ball through a stone ring.  It is considered quintessential to Mesoamerican culture and academicians believe that was played in Olmec Civilization cities . . . but not in Teotihuacan, which developed several hundred years after the Olmec Civilization collapsed.  I strongly suspect that the large U-shaped earthworks in Zoque (Olmec Civilization) cities were for another sport, not the one played with a 10-pound rubber ball.  We will talk about that below.

Even today, despite the use of LIDAR and extensive surveys by international archaeological teams, no traditional Mesoamerican ballcourt has been found at Teotihuacan.  For decades, researchers have noted the appearance Teotihuacan’s murals of men carrying wooden bats and round objects being near them.   The wooden bats were traditionally labeled “Mesoamerican swords.” 

Five years ago, Mexican scholars finally admitted that stickball was probably the main sport at Teotihuacan. It was played on fields roughly the size of an American football field or a Gaelic hurling field.  Both Mesoamerican stickball and Irish hurling are played with a wooden bat and leather ball.  Above you can see the extreme similarity of the two sports.

Hurling has been dated back in Ireland and Scotland to at least 2,000 years . . . probably in a simpler form, thousands of years earlier. Hurling is the grand-daddy of several other games, such as cricket, field hockey, golf, cricket and baseball.  Nevertheless, it is clear that pretty much the same sport was being played in the British Isles and Mexico at the same time. 

The stickball stadium in Sautee . . . formerly the Proto-Creek town of Itsate.

Southeastern Stickball

So far, in our survey of ancient sites in the Upper Chattahoochee and Soque River valleys, we have identified five large U-shaped “stadiums” for playing a sport.  Their playing fields are about the size of an American football field . . . about 145 feet (44 m) wide and 315-345 feet (96-105 m) long. Even as late as 1776, William Bartram observed such facilities in the hearts of Creek towns and described them as stick ball fields.  He also visited the ruins of a ball stadium on the coast near Brunswick, GA.   

When noticed at all by Georgia archaeologists in the 20th century, such structures were either labeled “unknown purpose” or “chunky courts.”    Robert Wauchope gave an official archaeological site number to the ball stadium in front of Nacoochee High School in Sautee, GA.   That was forgotten when the state widened a highway in the late 20th century and two years ago when part of the facility was regraded for a parking lot by the Sautee-Nacoochee Community Center.  Utah archaeologist, V. Garth Norman, found an obsidian blade in the new parking lot!   The Nacoochee Youth Soccer team unknowingly practices in this ancient stickball field . . . probably at least 1000 years old.

Stickball, as now played by Southeastern Indigenous peoples, utilizes something similar to a lacrosse stick.  References and most anthropology textbooks state that northern tribes introduce lacrosse (stickball) to the southern tribes.  Given the obvious age of these stadiums in Northeast Georgia, that is highly unlikely. They closely resemble the stadiums in Olmec Civilization cities.

Eyewitness accounts of Creek Stickball in the early and mid-1700s describe them playing with a wooden stick, shaped like a club or paddle . . . like a hurling stick or perhaps a cricket bat.  Some authors commented that these tools of sport doubled as weapons of war.  Most likely, the current Southeastern Stickball stick with a mesh at its end, was introduced by the Cherokee or Shawnee.  Remember there are official Dutch and French maps that show the Cherokee living east of Lake Erie in Quebec as late as 1643.  They began moving southward sometime later to escape the Iroquois Confederacy during the Beaver Wars (1629-1701).

A Bronze Age Irish connection with Mexico?

The fact that the same sport was played in Ireland/Scotland, Georgia and Central Mexico does not “prove” close encounters of a third kind between thee three regions.  The fact is that stickball or field hockey was also an ancient tradition in the Indus Valley of present-day Pakistan and India. Perhaps Bronze Age traders from the Indus Valley civilizations introduced the sport to Ireland.  It also can be argued that stickball is a direct outgrowth of warfare or perhaps, the use of an atlatl by hunters around the world.

On the other hand, the exact same petroglyphs can be found in gold-bearing region southwestern Ireland, the Etowah River Basin in the Georgia Gold Belt and the Copper Mountains of Central Mexico.  That cannot be a coincidence.   Then there is another fact, which I discussed in my five part Youtube Video series on the Georgia petroglyphs.   The Maya and Creek glyph for “Great Sun” or “High King” can be found in the petroglyphs at Nyköping, Sweden.  They have been dated to 2000 BC!  The Truth is out there somewhere!

 

 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

15 Comments

  1. Reillyranch@aol.com'

    Another great article with amazing connections. Thank you for the continued research and analysis.

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    • The best source for information about the Uchees, is what they told Georgia colonists, when Savannah was first settled. “Chief” Brown did not even know that the main concentration of Uchees were in East Central Georgia.

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  2. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, didn’t the Creeks continue to make plaza’s with a red / white poles for playing stick ball? but of course nobody paid any attention to the many connections on both sides of the Atlantic. I Don’t understand the situation on Mexico’s coverup of ancient sites going back over 200,000 years. These UFO’s could be an ancient advanced “elongated skull mega brain” people that seems to have been in charge of Sumer, Egypt, for some time. They seem to have all arrived to different parts of the Earth around 4,000-3,000 BC…to include Georgia.

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  3. Aldavis@davismfg.com'

    Thank you for all the information that you give out.

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  4. IWG42@HOTMAIL.COM'

    Hey Richard,
    This video has cleared up a mystery for me. About 10 yrs ago i was in a sports bar with about 500 TVs and on one was the weirdest ball game. These guys were using a paddle like stick, would hit the ball, catch the ball, bounce the ball on the stick and clobber the otherguys with it if the refs were looking the other way.
    Noone knew what the game was. The sound was turned down so i could not hear if the announcers had accents.
    The video is exactly what i was watching that day. Looks like a tough game.
    Thanks for clearing up my mystery!

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    • Actually, I really enjoyed watching the sport. It moves really, really fast. Those guys have to be in incredible shape to last a game. Thanks!

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      • polinskj@oregonstate.edu'

        This connection as empirical and rational does make good sense, although I suspect the connection is far larger in scale. The Irish stubbornly held onto their tribal cultures, and were, and are, punished plenty for it. Many other parts of the European continent were much more successfully conquered generations earlier. This act of conquering is the reason we are having so much trouble trying to discern fact from fiction now!! Since it appears to be “big news” according to the NSF that an actual black hole has now been visualized, I want to call attention to it as it relates to things here on this website. The black hole subject may or may not be factual, pretending to know things we don’t know is a technique that has been practiced for generations now. This “malady” as I call it, is what causes Mr. Thornton great strife as the establishment first refuses to admit they are still “pretending to know things they don’t really know”. Voices are starting to emerge, and if enough of them are heard, it can change perception and lead to a greater honesty about everything. This “breakthrough” will take more than one generation to accomplish if it is possible, but worth it… Accurate long term landscape history is a missing part of the puzzle very difficult to discover. Much of it is held up as accurate, based on NSF funded “inference models” which could be flawed. Accurate in short term history and fatally flawed in ancient history due to the limits of things like Tobler’s Law and the constant state of change of our world in time scales much larger than a few generations of human life. So using a modern “looking glass”, forces experts to know things that they flat don’t know. Hence all the con–fidence in the world… Keep up the good work, the truth will all come out eventually.

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  5. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, Back to my “Bell Beaker” craziness: Both the Bell Beaker and some of the peoples that lived in Mexico (3000-400 BC BC) elongated their head in the same way as some of the “Adena culture”, and the same skull types. The arrival of the Keltic (horse/cart people) to Western Euro. seem to have driven them back over to this side of the Atlantic with perhaps some exceptions like the island Sardinia. “The initial spread of Beaker People around Western Europe occurred by around 2400 B.C.” according to this article is later than the Bell Beaker pottery of Savanna Georgia (2800 (+- 200) BC)
    https://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient-places-americas/adena-people-and-prehistoric-colonization-north-america-003342

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    • The Uchee appeared in Savannah, with their cordmarked bell beaker shaped pottery around 1200-1000 BC. At that time, the same style pottery was being made in Ireland and southern Scandinavia.

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  6. southie38@gmail.com'

    Cú Chulainn, also spelled Cú Chulaind or Cúchulainn ([kuːˈxʊlˠɪnʲ] (About this soundlisten); Irish for “Culann’s Hound”) and sometimes known in English as Cuhullin /kəˈhʊlɪn/,[1] is an Irish mythological hero who appears in the stories of the Ulster Cycle, as well as in Scottish and Manx folklore.[2] He is believed to be an incarnation of the god Lugh, who is also his father.[3][4][5] His mother is the mortal Deichtine, sister of Conchobar mac Nessa.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%BA_Chulainn

    He swung again with his club, swinging low to knock Cúchulainn’s feet out from under him, but the Hound leaped up high in the air and landed lightly on the ..

    https://www.google.com/search?q=C%C3%BA+Chulainn%2C+club&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS572US572&oq=C%C3%BA+Chulainn%2C+club&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l2.3780j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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  7. edward.triple@hotmail.com'

    This information doesn’t surprise me in the least.

    Read Mark Hill’ s2015 paper Assessing the provenance of Poverty Point copper.

    The copper is Appalachian andwas found to most closely resemble that found on the beaches of Cap d’or Nova Scotia. That firmly ties it into Maritime Archaic aka red ochre culture.

    With the new news that native R1b is now thousands of years old in NA and the beaker presence on the NW coast of Europe is the same… it’s only a matter of time till someone figures this out lol!

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