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Things to remember in regard to the “Nordic Connection”

Things to remember in regard to the “Nordic Connection”

 

The People of One Fire newsletter has added many new readers in recent months.  We have been publishing the progress of our research in a wide variety of endeavors for 11 years.  Newer readers may have missed key information in earlier articles.

There are several comments from new readers suggesting a revival of the ye olde “Scandinavians introduced advanced culture to the Americas thing.”   There is absolutely no doubt that the use of a unique Royal Sun glyph to denote a high king and the “Sun Wheel” was common in Southern Scandinavia perhaps 1200 years before they appeared in the Maya writing system.   However, the use of the “Sun Wheel” motif can be seen in Alberta Province, Canada as early as 3,500 BC.   Mound building began in the Southeastern United States as much as 2,000 years before it appeared in Scandinavia.   Bronze Age Scandinavian mariners may have enriched the indigenous culture of southeastern North America, but alternatively cultural influence may have been a two way street across the Atlanta Ocean. 

 

Here are some important , but little known facts: 

(1)  At the end of the Ice Age, the South Atlantic Coast was 100 miles farther east than now. There were once numerous islands in the North Atlantic that are now under water. 

(2) The oldest known Clovis Points are found in the Savannah River Basin.  The greatest concentration of Clovis Points are in the Cumberland River Basin of Tennessee.  The Southeastern United States was a quite livable locale for hunter-gatherers during the last Ice Age, when the British Isles and Scandinavia were uninhabitable.

(3) The oldest mummies in the world, date from around 7,000 BC and are found near the Pacific Coast of Peru.  That is thousands of years before mummification was practiced in Egypt.   Peru also has a pyramid, which is a thousand years older than the first pyramid in Egypt.

(4) The oldest known pottery in the Americas is found deep within the heart of the Amazon Basin and dates from 6,000-5,000 BC.

(5) The Windover Bog People near the Atlantic Coast of Florida (6,000 – 5,000 BC) knew how to weave cloth and fish nets.  The fabrics were preserved by the anaerobic bog, but probably were also produced elsewhere in the Southeast.

(6)  The stonehenges of Alberta and Ontario predate those of the British Isles by about 500 years.  Dr. Gordon Freeman of the University of Alberta has developed extensive evidence that THE Stonehenge in southern England and an earlier one in Wales were built by people from Canada.

(7) The oldest known mound in North America, the Bilbo Mound, dates from about 3,555 BC and is in Savannah, GA.  It consisted of a man-made island within a man-made pond.  That’s a fairly sophisticated concept.

(8) The oldest known mound complex in North America, the earthworks at Watson Brake, LA date from around 3,450 BC.

(9) The oldest known pottery in North America, dates from around 2,500 BC and is found along the lower Savannah River.  The oldest known shell rings also date from that period and are found immediately south of Savannah. 

(10)  The Bronze Age burial mounds found in southwestern Sweden and Denmark WERE virtually identical in every detail to the burial mounds, built by the Adena Culture in the Ohio River Basin, and were built at about the same time in history.  The cone shaped houses of the Adena People in the Ohio River Basin and Duncan Culture (Lower Early Woodland) peoples of Georgia WERE identical to those built by the Southern Sami until the late 1800s.   The Lower Early Woodland Period coincided with the Late Bronze Age in Scandinavia.

(11)  As can be seen above,  when the Bronze Age Scandinavians and Adena Peoples were still building simple conical burial mounds, the ancestors of the Creek Indians in Georgia were already building much more sophisticated truncated oval mounds.

(12) The Savannah River Uchee and Muskogee Creek word for water (ue) is the same as the Pre-Gaelic word for water in Ireland, Scotland and the Atlantic Coast of France.  All other Muskogean languages use the word oka for water, which originated in South America.

 (13)  Modern Scandinavians (with the exception of the Sami (Lapps) and Gamla Folk, are a different people genetically than the indigenous people of Scandinavia during the Neolithic and Bronze Ages.   Several Bronze Age petroglyphs along the western coasts of Sweden and Norway display fleets of large Mediterranean type ships attacking the smaller indigenous craft. 

(14) All of Georgia’s famous petroglyphic boulders are located in the Georgia Gold Belt . . . which suggests a connection to ancient gold miners.   Immediately to the northwest of the Georgia Gold Belt is the Georgia-Tennessee copper belt.  In fact, some commercial copper deposits were also mined in the Gold Belt.  Most of these petroglyphic boulders contain symbols identical to those found on boulders in southwestern Sweden.  Some of the Georgia boulders are identical to those found in western Ireland. 

The Tanum Bronze Age petroglyphs in southwest Sweden.   Several boats are similar to those portrayed on the Tugaloo Stone in NE Georgia.

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history.Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

14 Comments

  1. stuhar@onlymyemail.com'

    The sailors of Frisland, circa 2000 BC, referred to America as ‘the old world’. Source: Oera Linda Boek.
    The oldest Clovis points I know about come from Portugal and Spain, some 4000 years before North America. After that,
    Broken Mammoth Site, Alaska, 11,770±210 BP
    The ice free corridor through Canada opened up around 11,500 BP.
    Then in rapid succession, across the west first, then moving east to Florida, south to Chile
    Aubrey, TX 11,570 ±70 BP
    Wally’s Beach, Canada 11,350 ±80 BP
    Blackwater Draw, NM 11,300 ±235 BP
    East Wenatchee, WA <11,125±130 BP.
    Lubbock Lake, TX 11,100 ±60
    Lange-Ferguson, SD 11,080±40 BP
    Sloth Hole, Florida 11,050 ±50 BP
    Anzik, MT 11,040 ±35 BP
    Bonneville Estates, NV 11,010 ±40 BC
    Fell's Cave, Chile 11,000 ±170 BP
    Source: Redefining the Age of Clovis, Michael R Waters, Thomas W Stafford Jr, Science, 23 Feb, 2007
    Half the Clovis sites I looked at had bones of both horses and camels; they were horse and camel riders.
    How does your date for Clovis in Savannah River compare?

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    • Dr. Al Goodyear found the oldest Clovis points at the Topper site to date around 12,000 BP, but then found definite pre-Clovis points up to 15,000 BP. Farther down in the ground he found flint flakes, similar to what Homo Erectus made that with charcoal that dated to 50,000 BP. Many of his peers refused to believe that Homo Erectus or perhaps, Neanderthals, were in North America, but it is quite plausible.

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  2. iwg42@hotmail.com'

    Hey Richard,
    I found this interesting link to a paper in Nature Magazine that claims to push human occupation of North America back 100,000 years
    If correct.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/nature22065.epdf?referrer_access_token=8WtcYyKiFIDKgTw4-ZeDgtRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Odq55Wqltd4FPUqYwCTOB2j_6eq_fQDjEybr4hVNTmh8dPe55p1jjbQy6xuQprN55M-CrpZ6EVdyV5F_7n54CqRZbaVTZmXd5Z6yHjfb_8cG0Rtsckt4BZWqldV8Ir3wYQkoNF2CNchmNjqxiHcxuv2cECqPKdGkWWKtOyk3_XT9cP-0B9F3_R7BCwAUBJnKKR2iswi7gga_NeYs4Nrw96Z1nfWuxfA9ygrro-JzJzUvmNX8LClCstIpmkdqrQwXELbQ9oKb8AYdt9VZOy5GIr&tracking_referrer=www.theguardian.com

    Some of the scientist question the dating method used on the bones found but if the method holds up, like you and POOF prove everyday, the truth is stranger than fiction.
    Thanks Great Oz!

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    • You know Wayne there was a long period between the 3rd and 4th Ice Age in which climate was mild. Animals went back and forth from North America to Asia. Why not humans or at least humanoids?

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      • Iwg42@hotmail.com'

        Hey Richard
        Amen on that brother! If the people are hunter gathers they follow the animals where ever they go. Where do the animals go? Where they find food!
        I have always thought humans or humanoids have been in the Americas much longer that we know

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  3. Reillyranch@aol.com'

    I am not an expert, or even an amateur archeologist, just a curious reader. So please excuse me if I don’t understand all the data that is listed above. But as far as human occupation in North America I thought the time line goes well past “Clovis” era. There are about a dozen pre Clovis sites already known to exist. Topper site in SC dates back at least 20,000 years ago, maybe more, as well as the Vero Beach FL site.

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    • You are right Ed. However, a large block of American archaeologists are still trying to discredit the evidence.

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  4. ekorjack56@gmail.com'

    Looking at the Tanum petroglyph, I see many men and one woman. The front protuberances on the men are obvious…but, are those TAILS?

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    • ekorjack56@gmail.com'

      Laughing! Thank you, those pictures show me that, well of course they are swords, and besides, men never go anywhere without their arms and tales!

      Maybe that’s why old devils are often portrayed with tails.

      The lady has a cool pony tail, as well. And either she is pregnant or carrying a handbag.

      I may have just watched too much tv in my youth. Thanks again.

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      • urisahatu@yahoo.com'

        You’re welcome. Had a facepalm moment when you was talking about protuberances and tails.

        The thought alone of men going into battle with a woody and a tail …. people must have been spilling their coffee upon reading your comment.
        Although your comment was very funny and people (readers) most likely had a good laugh about it; it’s always good to question things you aren’t sure about. It’s much better to watch too much tv.

        PS: TV or Television is also known as Tell-Lie-Vision; the unsuspecting people are being fed with certain narratives making them believe anything but the truth and to confuse the masses.
        It’s people like you who dare to question that are important. People are waking up and (re-)discovering the truth.

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        • urisahatu@yahoo.com'

          *It’s much better than watching too much tv.

          Yeah; even I mess up from time to time.

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  5. tfworthy@bellsouth.net'

    My DNA includes “Viking” and Native American.

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    • The Scandinavians settled eastern Scotland and northeastern England, so I have a lot of Scandinavian in me. It was pre-Scandinavians, who occupied the region during the Neolithic and Bronze Age Periods. Their DNA test markers will show up as Sami (Lapp), Pre-Gaelic Irish and Basque.

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