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Video: Commander Spock of Star Trek tells the story of Atlantis

Video:  Commander Spock of Star Trek tells the story of  Atlantis

 

It is currently not clear how accurate these old legends are, but they are thought provoking.  There is no doubt, however, that most of the petroglyphs in in northern Georgia are identical to those in either SW Ireland and Dundee, Scotland or southern Sweden.  How they got there is a matter of speculation.

 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

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  1. pres@gloriafarley.com'

    I don’t buy into all the stories of Atlantis that are floating out there, even the ancient Greek ones, as being what really happened. But that does not mean that I don’t think there could be a historical basis for the story. If the real story is ever sorted out and there once was a land in the middle of what is now the Atlantic Ocean, then we would understand so much more about the past than we do today. Sadly, this probably won’t happen until the undersea archeologists can work for extended periods in the very deepest parts of the ocean and move incredible thicknesses of overburden. The technology to do this is just not there yet and won’t be for a long time.

    As an aside, a little known Atlantis supporter may have been C. S. Lewis. He made an oblique reference to it relative to Tolkien’s Middle Earth stories. What Lewis hinted at was the idea that Middle Earth was what we now call Atlantis, that much of our folklore came from there, but then the whole continent was destroyed, but not before spreading its mythology to the world.

    It is hard to tell if Lewis was serious about this or not. He makes his comments in a work of fiction (his little read space trilogy). He published this before Tolkien first published his Middle Earth stories. So this might just have been a way of promoting his friend’s just about to be published work and to tie his own fiction writing to it.

    But both Lewis and Tolkien used their study of folklore as the basis for their fiction writings. The themes of elves, dwarves, evil sorcerers, etc. came from somewhere. Why not an ancient high civilization that is no more and the memory of which is pretty much lost.

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  2. jamesrhodes666@msn.com'

    Referencing THE MAYAN OUROBORO: THE COSMIC CYCLES COME FULL CIRCLE by Drunvalo Melchizedek, Weiser Books, SF CA. The pictograph shown in your piece is the Atlantean city of Poseidon. The outer ring stood for the ordinary people who lived in Atlantis; the middle ring stood for the priesthood called The Maya; the priests (Maya) were the bridge between the people and the consciousness of the center ring, the Nakkals (also known as Naccals) resided in special rooms of pyramids. When Atlantas sank about 13,000 years ago, due to a pole shift, the Maya relocated to the Yucatan; the Nakkals relocated to Colombia; prior to the sinking some residents relocated to Tibet. Direct descendants of the Maya, due to migration are, according to the book: the Hopi of AZ, the Kogi Mamos, Arhuaco Mamos, Wiwa Mamos, and the Kankuamo Mamos. Makes for interesting reading-jim

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    • Wrapscallionn@gmail.com'

      Look for the places where orichalcum occurs naturally. The main place ? The central Andes mountains in Peru. Is there an enigmatic ancient civilization there? heck yes. Sacsaywaman( different spellings) and a whole lot of gigantic ruins around Lake Titicaca.

      Is there a link to Peru and Georgia? Ask Richard.

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  3. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Atlantis remains a mystery.

    In my opinion Atlantis is linked to atolls (ring-shaped coral reef islands).
    A couple months ago I have provided info and some explanations on how the Dhivehi (an Indo-Aryan language spoken on the Maldive islands) word atholhu in combination with the word ton (fortified-/ town; info provided by Richard T.) is probably the origin of the word and name Atlantis.

    From wikipedia Quote: “Its first recorded use in English was in 1625 as atollon” – “Charles Darwin recognized its indigenous origin and coined, in his The Structure and Distribution of Coral Reefs, the definition of atolls as “circular groups of coral islets” that is synonymous with “lagoon-island”

    The word atollon was likely in use far before its recorded use in English. Atollon + ton gives atollonton which would mean “fortified town on / in an atoll”.

    Perhaps the shell ring complexes at Sapelo Island, Georgia; Edisto Island, South Carolina and Irelands stone ring complexes are connected to Atlantis which could be infact atollonton or fortified towns in an atoll (ring shape).

    Plato writes in Timaeus dialogue that passed the pillars of Heracles (strait of Gibraltar) there lay an island bigger than Libya and Asia together. One could think the Azores Islands being remnants of Atlantis yet there’s no proof of an island bigger than Libya and Asia on the same location.
    When one goes to the west of the Azores Islands you will reach the American Continent which in my opinion is Atlantis.
    The political center of Atlantis could have been the sunken city (complex) off the westcoast of Cuba or perhaps one of the cities on the Yucatan from where the riches from north, meso-/central and south America were collected and transported to the main outpost and main trading post which very well may have been the Azores Islands. The Azores is in the right location to be the main trading post for the Isles of Ireland and what is now Scotland, England and Wales; for Scandinavia; for mainland Europe; for Africa and for Asia Minor now known as Middle East.

    After a sudden collapse of the (maritime-)trade and most likely in combination of the collapse of Atlantis as a kingdom the people from Europe (including the Isles of Ireland etc.), Africa and Asia sailed to the Americas (Atlantis) directly to find the prescious metals and other valuable goods they once got through trade.
    Perhaps Atlantis never sunk, maybe it was a metaphor. In Polynesian mythology the demi-god Maui fished up islands. Now when a sailor is sailing on the ocean with no land in sight on the horizon eventually reaching an island; that particular island will seem to be rising out of the ocean or sea. Here you have the metaphor for fishing an island out of the ocean/sea since the sailor in question found the island he (or she?) claims the island as if he fished the island out of the ocean/sea.
    When a sailor sails away from an island the island will dissapear from view (out of view) as if the island is sinking down the horizon into the ocean/sea. Maybe people from the Americas (Atlantis) were sailing away from the collapsed kingdom which was (is?) known as Atlantis in search of a new life which they might have found in Isles of Ireland etc.; Scandinavia; mainland Europe; Africa and Asia minor/Middle east.

    Furthermore Atollonton could very well have been fortified outposts on atolls / islands.
    In mordern times one could call the various (fortified) bases on atolls and islands Atollonton.
    Examples: Diego Garcia Base; Wake Island Base; Johnston Atoll Base.

    Could it be that Atlantis (America) has already risen and the so-called fortified atoll bases or Atollonton / Atollontona (tona plural form of ton) are her outposts?

    Remember; “There is nothing new under the sun”.

    Sources:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoll

    Diego Garcia Base:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Biot-travel-svg-map.svg/1038px-Biot-travel-svg-map.svg.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Chagos_map.PNG/1016px-Chagos_map.PNG (Chagos Archipelago)

    Wake Island Base:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Wake_Island_NASA_photo_map.jpg/1280px-Wake_Island_NASA_photo_map.jpg

    Johnston Atoll Base:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Johnston_Atoll_satellite_map.jpg/1280px-Johnston_Atoll_satellite_map.jpg

    ftp://ftp.soest.hawaii.edu/pibhmc/website/data/pria/optical/johnston/joh_toad.jpg (Johnston Atoll Optical Validation)

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    • markveale@hotmail.com'

      Hi, I am 100% in agreement with you now that there was a bronze age Kingdom of the America’s based on earth works, bronze age tools, Gaelic word connections and also with Native American, European, Egyptian, and Greek lore. These Bronze age peoples most likely were connected to the ancient Sea ports of Savanna, The Azores, a city called IS, and the city called Tarshish in Spain. The Caribbean islands, South East US, Europe land mass was affected by a comet strike it would seem around 1200 BC. The Egyptians priest of “Sais” used a moon calendar so perhaps a recalculated time of 1200 BC for the Bronze age kingdom fall is in order?

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      • urisahatu@yahoo.com'

        Mark, Without any extensive research by expert archaeologists and such, all the above mentioned are nothing more than theories and speculations. Maybe there are experts reading these posts and comments and are willing to take the risk to set up a research team to find the true Atlantis or at least find proof of the exsistance of Atlantis in ancient texts, artifacts etc.

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  4. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Meaning of the word/name ATLANTIS Found?
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    In doing more extensive research on the possible origin of the word and name Atlantis I found something of interest and importance.
    Knowing that Plato’s story about Atlantis is linked to an ideal state and to civilization; I looked up the meaning of the words state and city.

    Quotes from wikipedia and Oxford English Dictionary:
    “A state is a compulsory political organization with a centralized government that maintains a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a certain geographical territory.”

    “The word city and the related civilization come, via Old French, from the Latin root civitas, originally meaning citizenship or community member and eventually coming to correspond with urbs, meaning city in a more physical sense. The Roman civitas was closely linked with the Greek “polis”—another common root appearing in English words such as metropolis.”

    I noticed the word civitas and wondered if tas was a suffix with any meaning. The following is what I found during my research.
    ———

    tas

    from Latin
    pronunciation taIs.

    From Proto-Indo-European -teh₂ts, whence also Ancient Greek -της (-tēs) and Sanskrit -ताति (-tāti). See also -tūs.

    Suffix

    -tās f (genitive -tātis); third declension

    -ty, -dom, -hood, -ness, -ship; Used to form nouns indicating a state of being.

    Usage notes

    The suffix -tās is added to an adjective (or sometimes a noun) to form an abstract third declension feminine noun indicating a state or condition.

    Examples:

    potis (“able”) + -tas → potestās (“ability”)
    difficilis (“difficult, troublesome”) + -tas → difficultās (“difficulty, trouble”)
    līber (“free”) + -tas → lībertās (“liberty, freedom”)

    Synonyms

    (-ty, -ness): -ia, -itia, -tūdō
    ———

    -ness

    Etymology
    From Middle English -nes, -nesse, from Old English -nis, -nes, from Proto-Germanic *-nassuz. This suffix was formed already in Proto-Germanic by false division of the final consonant *-n- of the preceding stem + the actual suffix *-assuz. The latter was in turn derived from an earlier *-at(s)-tuz, from the verbal suffix *-at-janą + the noun suffix *-þuz.
    Cognates are Old Saxon -nissi, -nussi, Dutch -nis, German -nis and Gothic (-assus), (-inassus).

    Suffix

    -ness

    Appended to adjectives to form nouns meaning “the state of being(the adjective)”, “the quality of being(the adjective)”, or “the measure of being(the adjective)”.

    calm + -ness → calmness
    dark + -ness → darkness
    kind + -ness → kindness
    one + -ness → oneness

    Appended to words of other parts of speech to form nouns (often nonce words or terms in philosophy) meaning the state/quality/measure of the idea represented by these words.

    that + -ness → thatness
    tree + -ness → treeness
    ———

    nonce word

    Etymology
    From for the nonce and word. Coined by James Murray, the influential editor of the Oxford English Dictionary.

    Noun

    nonce word (plural nonce words)

    (lexicography) A word invented for the occasion.
    ———

    When my theory and thoughts are right, the word and name Atlantis is a nonce word or an invented word for the occasion in terms in philosophy.

    Explanation:

    The word -tas or -tēs in Ancient Greek is used to form nouns indicating a state of being. Synonymous to -tas/-tēs is the word -ness.
    When -ness is used in terms in philosophy to form nouns meaning the state/quality/measure of the idea represented by a word like treeness “The essence of what it means to be a tree; the qualities that make a tree what it is” the same could be applied to -tas/-tēs.

    Plato was a philosopher in Classic Greece also known to be the founder of the Academy in Athens believed to be the first institution of higher learning in the Western world.
    In this case Plato being a philosopher ;if not copying his teacher Socrates or other philosophers before and or of his time; probably took the Dhivehi indo-aryan word atholhu or perhaps a word form of proto-indo-european similar to the word atollon from atholhu (ring shaped coral reef island) combined it with the Ancient Greek word -tēs forming atollon-tēs / atollontēs.

    Atollon-tēs / Atollontēs a nonce word meaning “The essence of what it means to be an atoll; the qualities that make an atoll what it is” in other words Atlantis is in essence an atoll especially since it was encircled by rings; qualities that make an atoll what it is – ring shaped / ring shaped qualities.
    ———

    Sources / links:
    Oxford English Dictionary

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity) (state)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City (city)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civitas (civitas)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-tas#Latin (-tas / tās)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/-teh₂ts (-teh₂ts)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European//-teh₂ (-teh₂)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ness (-ness)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonce_word (nonce word)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/treeness#English (treeness)

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  5. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Hy-Brasil – Atlantis

    Weeks have passed since my last comment on this post. I have been doing more research on the mystery and legend of Atlantis. After reading recent posts about Ireland and her concentric circles etc. I reviseted the Irish stories and legends of Hy-Brasil, a mythical island supossedly off the (south-)west coast of Ireland.

    The following are a selection of quotes from various sources:

    Quotes from wikipedia (Brasil – mythical island):
    “The etymology of the names Brasil and Hy-Brasil is unknown, but in Irish tradition it is thought to come from the Irish Uí Breasail (meaning “descendants (i.e., clan) of Bresail”), one of the ancient clans of northeastern Ireland. cf. Old Irish: Í: island; bres: beauty, worth, great, mighty.”

    “On maps the island was shown as being circular, often with a central strait or river running east-west across its diameter. Despite the failure of attempts to find it, this appeared regularly on maps lying south west of Galway Bay until 1865, by which time it was called Brasil Rock.”

    Quotes from wikipedia (Porcupine Bank):
    “These are by far the most pristine, thriving and hence spectacular examples of cold-water coral reefs that I’ve encountered in almost ten years of study in Irish waters. There is also evidence of recent recruitment of corals and many other reef animals in the area suggesting this area is an important source of larvae supply to other areas further along the Porcupine Bank.”

    “In an 1870 paper presented to the Geological Society of Ireland, Mr W Fraser suggested that these reefs mark the site of the sunken island of Hy-Brasil. Hy-Brasil was recorded on maps of the 15th and 16th centuries and is sometimes referred to as the other Atlantis”

    Quote from an article on historicmysteries.com (Hy-Brasil: The Other Atlantis of Irish Legend):
    “The most distinctive geographical feature of Hy-Brasil, is that it appears on maps as a perfect circle, with a semi-circular channel through the center.”
    ———

    The selection of quotes gives a picture or same envisioning on what Atlantis might have looked like.
    Atlantis checklist:
    – circular island
    – central strait or river, semi-circular channel through the center (channel for canoes?)
    – sunken into the sea/ocean

    I have provided a map of the Irish Continental Shelf ;see link below; so you can see the location of the Porcupine Bank where Hy-Brasil is believed to be located. It is there were a cold-water coral reef is present. As I have mentioned in earlier posts on Atlantis I think the word and/or name Atlantis is derived from the Divehi ;Indo-Aryan language spoken on the Maldive islands in the Indian Ocean; word atholhu also known as atollon and atoll meaning “ring shaped coral reef / island”.
    There is in fact a circular basin to the southwest of Ireland also known as Porcupine Seabight. On the same provided map you can also see that there is a river or riversystem ;now underwater; running roughly from east to west towards/into the Atlantic Ocean. If there also are (cold-water) coral reefs around the circular basin you will basically have an atoll or atollon.

    Are Atlantis and Hy-Brasil one and the same?
    I am beginning to think that the island of Atlantis and Hy-Brasil are indeed one and the same. Atlantis is a mixed Indo-Aryan word combination from atholhu or atollon + tēs meaning “The essence of what it means to be an atoll; the qualities that make an atoll what it is” in other words Atlantis is in essence an atoll especially since it was encircled by rings; qualities that make an atoll what it is – ring shaped / ring shaped qualities” a nonce word used by Bronze-Age Greeks (Greek philosophers?); Hy-Brasil is the Irish Bronze-Age name for the same island meaning “beautiful; great or mighty island”. Having said that, I now think Atlantis and the land bigger than Asia (probably Asia minor/Middle-east) and Libya combined as mentioned by Plato are two separate locations.

    Atlantis/Hy-Brasil might have been the Kingdom/political center and the Americas was its domain. When Porcupine Bank/Seabight southwest of Ireland truly is Atlantis/Hy-Brasil ;a kingdom and political center; it would mean that the bronze-age Irish were probably in control of at least a portion of the Americas (the land bigger than Asia and Libya combined).
    After Atlantis/Hy-Brasil ceased to exist the descendants migrated to other locations which northeastern Ireland could be one of since there is an ancient Irish clan known as Uí Breasail meaning “descendants or clan of Bresail”. Other descenddants stayed (left behind?) in and around their seaports (tradingposts?) or migrated across the Americas (concentric ring petroglyphs are also found on Santa Catarina Islands off the coast of Brazil) and other parts of the world such as mainland Europe.

    The finding of the Lurgan canoe in Galway Ireland is of importance since it shows features of the Island Southeast Asian (ISEA; Malayo-Polynesian) and Oceanic (OC; Melanesian, Micronesian and Polynesian) type ;either outrigger or double hulled. When the Lurgan canoe is indeed of the ISEA or OC type it could also explain why the word atholhu or atollon found its way into the Bronze-Age Greek vocabularly/language since the word itself means “ring shaped coral reef / island” are found in oceans and seas therefor the word must have been transfered to other maritime people/nations by seafarers who are familiar with the language on the Maldive Islands. The Malayo-Polynesians have settled on the Comoros Islands and Madagascar in the Indian Ocean thousands of years ago.

    Notes:
    – The words uwe and oke/oka found in Southeast North American languages/dialects could be related to Malayo-Polynesian and Oceanic languages; owe (o wei, o wai) meaning “water”/”fresh water”/”river” and oke/oka (o ko, o ki, o kai, o tai) meaning “sea/ocean”/”saltwater”.
    – The island of Terceira in the Azores was also known as Insula de Brasil in the Venetian map of Andrea Bianco circa 1436. Probably one of the main if not the main tradingpost of Atlantis/Hy-Brasil.

    Source/Links:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brasil_(mythical_island)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcupine_Bank – (Porcupine Bank; proposed location of Hi-Brasil / Hy-Brasil)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcupine_Seabight – (Porcupine Seabight; circular deep-water oceanic basin)

    https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/3422404.jpg – (map Irish Continental Shelf)

    https://www.historicmysteries.com/hy-brasil-the-other-atlantis/ – (Hy-Brasil: The Other Atlantis of Irish Legend)

    Article: The Lurgan Canoe, an Early Bronze Age boat from Galway – October 21, 2014 – by Colm
    http://irisharchaeology.ie/2014/10/the-lurgan-canoe-an-early-bronze-age-boat-from-galway/

    https://www.bradshawfoundation.com/santa_catarina/coral_island/index.php – (Santa Catarina Islands/Coral Island, Brazil, concentric ring petroglyphs)

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  6. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Are the Uchee and Toka-re descendants of people from Central Asia with possible links to Atlantis/Hy-Brasil?

    The past few weeks in discussing a possible location of Atlantis/Hy-Brasil I was reading through some old POOF-posts to refresh memories and to see if I might have overlooked important information.
    Since several tribes in southeastern north America have Sami DNA and are linked to Scandinavia and Ireland I narrowed the posts down to those topics. The following are quotes from such posts.

    Quotes (POOF post: “The Irish Scottish and Sami indians of the southeastern united states):
    “Linguists and Maori scholars in New Zealand believe that the Maori absorbed this word from the Tuha, Tuhare, Tuhale or Turihu (a blond or red haired people), who inhabited New Zealand, when they arrived 800 years ago.”

    “Toka-reigh = Freckled or Blond/Red-Haired People – These are most likely the “red-haired” people, who sailed around the globe. They would have originally looked like Scottish Highlanders, but over time intermarried with Asiatic peoples and acquired more “indigenous American” features.”

    “Uchee towns were always round with round building and a round plaza … like Atlantis.”

    “It is not known if the Uchee in Tennessee were the same people as what later maps label Togeria ( Toka-re.) Whatever the case, the Uchee and Toka-re considered themselves to be of the same general ethnic group.”

    Quotes (POOF post: “The Red-Haired Giants of Peru, new-zealand and the Southern Highlands”)
    “The genes of both the Red Haired Maori of New Zealand and the Blue Eyed Indians in Peru can ultimately be traced to southeastern Iran . . . but the Red Haired Maori say that they actually were driven out of India by dark skinned peoples.”

    “The University of København in Denmark has become the world’s leading center of genetic research. In 2016, it made the astonishing discovery that the blue eyes, pronounced cheek bones, plus blond or red hair was NOT carried northward into Scandinavian by Germanic invaders during the advent of the Iron Age or caused by living in a cold climate. The genes for such features have been traced to southeastern Iran or perhaps the indigenous people of the Indus River Valley.”

    “These blue-eyed Afghans are probably NOT the descendants of Alexander the Great’s soldiers . . . as National Geographic tells you.”

    “What the Scandinavian geneticists are now saying is that the aboriginal people of Scandinavia looked something like the Uchee (Yuchi) or the peoples of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan. Their descendants are the Saami of Lappland.”
    ———

    From these quotes you can link the Uchee with a blond or red haired people to the legendary Atlantis which I think is on and the same with Hy-Brasil an island in Irish legends which has similar characteristics as Plato’s description of Atlantis and ultimately linking it all the Indus Valley Civilization also known as the Harappa Civilization.
    By doing intensive research on the civilizations in and around the Indus Valley I began to notice something very interesting which could link the Uchee and the Toka-re blond/red-haired peopled even more together.

    I remember a POOF member or several POOF members (readers) mentioning the Yucchis an ancient people in what is now western China since it is similar to the Yuchi an alternative spelling of the name / word Uchee.
    Of course out of curiousity I did research and found that the Yucchis (from China) are the same as the Yuezhi who are also known as Tókharoi by the Greeks.

    The following are quotes from wikipedia concerning the Yuezhi.
    Quotes:
    “The central Asian people who called themselves Kushana, who were among the conquerors of the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom during the 2nd century BC, are widely believed to have originated as a dynastic clan or tribe of the Yuezhi. Because some inhabitants of Bactria became known as Tukhāra (Sanskrit) or Tókharoi (Τοχάριοι; Greek), these names later became associated with the Yuezhi.”

    “The Kushana were a Caucasoid people, as indicated by the portraits of their kings on the coins they struck in Bactria (2nd–1st century BC), portraits from statues in Khalchayan, Bactria in the 1st century BC, and especially the coins which they struck in India as Kushans (1st–3rd century CE).”

    “In the 3rd century BC, Bactria had been conquered by the Greeks under Alexander the Great and since settled by the Hellenistic civilization of the Seleucids. The resulting Greco-Bactrian Kingdom lasted until the 2nd century BC. The Greek city of Alexandria on the Oxus was apparently burnt to the ground around 145 BC.”

    “The Roman historian Pompeius Trogus (1st century BC) attributes it to the Scythian tribes of the Sacaraucae and the Asiani “kings of the Tochari”.

    “After they settled in Bactria, the Yuezhi became Hellenized to some degree – as shown by their adoption of the Greek alphabet and by some remaining coins, minted in the style of the Greco-Bactrian kings, with the text in Greek. The area of Bactria they settled came to be known as Tokharistan and the Yuezhi were known as Tókharoi by the Greeks.”

    The following are quotes from wikipedia concerning Bactria:
    “Bactria or Bactriana was the name of a historical region in Central Asia. Bactria proper was north of the Hindu Kush mountain range and south of the Amu Darya river, covering the flat region that straddles modern-day Afghanistan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan.”

    “The form Tokharistan – the suffix -stan means “place of” in Sanskrit – appeared for the first time in the 4th century, in Buddhist texts, such as the Vibhasa-sastra. Tokhara was known in Chinese sources as Tuhuluo whichis first mentioned during the Northern Wei era. In the Tang dynasty, the name is transcribed as Tuhuoluo . Other Chinese names are Doushaluo, Douquluo or Duhuoluo.”

    “Bactrians were the inhabitants of Bactria. Several important trade routes from India and China (including the Silk Road) passed through Bactria and, as early as the Bronze Age, this had allowed the accumulation of vast amounts of wealth by the mostly nomadic population. The first proto-urban civilization in the area arose during the 2nd millennium BC.”

    On both the Asian continent and American continent you have similar names and or tribes linked to eachother Uchee/Yuchi – Toka-re and Yuezhi – Tókharoi/Tokari/Tochari.
    There were trade routes from India and China passing through Bactria as early as the Bronze age with the first proto-urban civilization in the area around the 2nd millennium BC which would (theoratically) be in the timeframe when the Harappa Civilization was still around.
    Could it be that the Yuezhi and Tókharoi/Tokari ;if they’re not one and the same people; were also present in the Harappa domain which was the Indus Valley?
    Theoratically descendants of the Yuezhi and Tókharoi/Tokari could have migrated together with some of the Harappa people ;whoever the Harappa people were/are; out of the Indus Valley sailing the seas and oceans to faraway places to start a new life.

    Indirectly this would be proof and is consistent with what Scandinavian geneticists are now saying that the aboriginal people of Scandinavia looked something like the Uchee (Yuchi) or the peoples of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and Kyrgyzstan.
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    Concerning Atlantis/Hy-Brasil; I have searched for possible origins of the Atlantis/Hy-Brasil legend and I came across an Indian Hindu Cosmology.
    In the particular cosmology there is a concentric island continent called Jambudvipa. To keep the story short ;the sources and links are provided below; Jambudvipa is believed to be an island or continent with Mount Meru also known as Mount Sumeru in the center which is surounded by several mountain chains in a concentric matter.
    A carving depicting Jambudweep (Jambudvipa) according to Jain cosmology in Ranakpur (western India) shows Mount Meru/Sumeru as a concentric circular mountain.

    It makes one wonder if the Harappa (Indus Valley) Civilization had a similar cosmology with Mount Meru/Sumeru in the center dipicted as a concentric circular mountain prior to the Indian Hindu Cosmology. Did the Indian Hindus took the basic idea or thought and worked it into their own cosmology?
    If Mount Meru/Sumeru indeed was depicted as a concentric circular mountain in a/the Harappa cosmology prior to the Indian Hindu cosmology could it be the origin of the Atlantis/Hy-Brasil legend?

    Just when you think you solved the mystery more questions arise.

    Again; readers, POOF members all the above is just a theory and should NOT be taken as fact.
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    Source/Link:
    POOF
    https://peopleofonefire.com/the-irish-scottish-and-sami-indians-of-the-southeastern-united-states.html – (Irish, Scottish and Sami of the Southeastern U.S.)

    https://peopleofonefire.com/the-red-haired-giants-of-peru-new-zealand-and-the-southern-highlands.html – (Red Haired Giants of Peru, New Zealand and Southern Highlands)

    Yuezhi
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuezhi – (Yuezhi / Tókharoi)

    Bactria
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria – (Bactria – Bactriana, Central Asia)

    Indian Hindu Cosmology
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambudvipa – (Jambudvipa – concentric island continents)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Map_of_Jambudvipa_Indian_Hindu_Cosmology.jpg – (map of Jambudvipa; Indian Hindu Cosmology)

    Jain Cosmology
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/20/Ranakpur-JambuDweep-Dec2014.jpg/1068px-Ranakpur-JambuDweep-Dec2014.jpg – (Carving of Jambudweep /Jambu Dweep in Ranakpur; Pali district Rajasthan, western India)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1c/Jambudweep_Rachna.tif/lossy-page1-1223px-Jambudweep_Rachna.tif.jpg – (Depiction of Mount Sumeru at Jambudweep / Jambu Dweep in Hastinapur, Uttar Pradesh, northern India)

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