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Video: Commander Spock of Star Trek tells the story of Atlantis

Video:  Commander Spock of Star Trek tells the story of  Atlantis

 

It is currently not clear how accurate these old legends are, but they are thought provoking.  There is no doubt, however, that most of the petroglyphs in in northern Georgia are identical to those in either SW Ireland and Dundee, Scotland or southern Sweden.  How they got there is a matter of speculation.

 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

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  1. pres@gloriafarley.com'

    I don’t buy into all the stories of Atlantis that are floating out there, even the ancient Greek ones, as being what really happened. But that does not mean that I don’t think there could be a historical basis for the story. If the real story is ever sorted out and there once was a land in the middle of what is now the Atlantic Ocean, then we would understand so much more about the past than we do today. Sadly, this probably won’t happen until the undersea archeologists can work for extended periods in the very deepest parts of the ocean and move incredible thicknesses of overburden. The technology to do this is just not there yet and won’t be for a long time.

    As an aside, a little known Atlantis supporter may have been C. S. Lewis. He made an oblique reference to it relative to Tolkien’s Middle Earth stories. What Lewis hinted at was the idea that Middle Earth was what we now call Atlantis, that much of our folklore came from there, but then the whole continent was destroyed, but not before spreading its mythology to the world.

    It is hard to tell if Lewis was serious about this or not. He makes his comments in a work of fiction (his little read space trilogy). He published this before Tolkien first published his Middle Earth stories. So this might just have been a way of promoting his friend’s just about to be published work and to tie his own fiction writing to it.

    But both Lewis and Tolkien used their study of folklore as the basis for their fiction writings. The themes of elves, dwarves, evil sorcerers, etc. came from somewhere. Why not an ancient high civilization that is no more and the memory of which is pretty much lost.

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  2. jamesrhodes666@msn.com'

    Referencing THE MAYAN OUROBORO: THE COSMIC CYCLES COME FULL CIRCLE by Drunvalo Melchizedek, Weiser Books, SF CA. The pictograph shown in your piece is the Atlantean city of Poseidon. The outer ring stood for the ordinary people who lived in Atlantis; the middle ring stood for the priesthood called The Maya; the priests (Maya) were the bridge between the people and the consciousness of the center ring, the Nakkals (also known as Naccals) resided in special rooms of pyramids. When Atlantas sank about 13,000 years ago, due to a pole shift, the Maya relocated to the Yucatan; the Nakkals relocated to Colombia; prior to the sinking some residents relocated to Tibet. Direct descendants of the Maya, due to migration are, according to the book: the Hopi of AZ, the Kogi Mamos, Arhuaco Mamos, Wiwa Mamos, and the Kankuamo Mamos. Makes for interesting reading-jim

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    • Wrapscallionn@gmail.com'

      Look for the places where orichalcum occurs naturally. The main place ? The central Andes mountains in Peru. Is there an enigmatic ancient civilization there? heck yes. Sacsaywaman( different spellings) and a whole lot of gigantic ruins around Lake Titicaca.

      Is there a link to Peru and Georgia? Ask Richard.

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  3. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Atlantis remains a mystery.

    In my opinion Atlantis is linked to atolls (ring-shaped coral reef islands).
    A couple months ago I have provided info and some explanations on how the Dhivehi (an Indo-Aryan language spoken on the Maldive islands) word atholhu in combination with the word ton (fortified-/ town; info provided by Richard T.) is probably the origin of the word and name Atlantis.

    From wikipedia Quote: “Its first recorded use in English was in 1625 as atollon” – “Charles Darwin recognized its indigenous origin and coined, in his The Structure and Distribution of Coral Reefs, the definition of atolls as “circular groups of coral islets” that is synonymous with “lagoon-island”

    The word atollon was likely in use far before its recorded use in English. Atollon + ton gives atollonton which would mean “fortified town on / in an atoll”.

    Perhaps the shell ring complexes at Sapelo Island, Georgia; Edisto Island, South Carolina and Irelands stone ring complexes are connected to Atlantis which could be infact atollonton or fortified towns in an atoll (ring shape).

    Plato writes in Timaeus dialogue that passed the pillars of Heracles (strait of Gibraltar) there lay an island bigger than Libya and Asia together. One could think the Azores Islands being remnants of Atlantis yet there’s no proof of an island bigger than Libya and Asia on the same location.
    When one goes to the west of the Azores Islands you will reach the American Continent which in my opinion is Atlantis.
    The political center of Atlantis could have been the sunken city (complex) off the westcoast of Cuba or perhaps one of the cities on the Yucatan from where the riches from north, meso-/central and south America were collected and transported to the main outpost and main trading post which very well may have been the Azores Islands. The Azores is in the right location to be the main trading post for the Isles of Ireland and what is now Scotland, England and Wales; for Scandinavia; for mainland Europe; for Africa and for Asia Minor now known as Middle East.

    After a sudden collapse of the (maritime-)trade and most likely in combination of the collapse of Atlantis as a kingdom the people from Europe (including the Isles of Ireland etc.), Africa and Asia sailed to the Americas (Atlantis) directly to find the prescious metals and other valuable goods they once got through trade.
    Perhaps Atlantis never sunk, maybe it was a metaphor. In Polynesian mythology the demi-god Maui fished up islands. Now when a sailor is sailing on the ocean with no land in sight on the horizon eventually reaching an island; that particular island will seem to be rising out of the ocean or sea. Here you have the metaphor for fishing an island out of the ocean/sea since the sailor in question found the island he (or she?) claims the island as if he fished the island out of the ocean/sea.
    When a sailor sails away from an island the island will dissapear from view (out of view) as if the island is sinking down the horizon into the ocean/sea. Maybe people from the Americas (Atlantis) were sailing away from the collapsed kingdom which was (is?) known as Atlantis in search of a new life which they might have found in Isles of Ireland etc.; Scandinavia; mainland Europe; Africa and Asia minor/Middle east.

    Furthermore Atollonton could very well have been fortified outposts on atolls / islands.
    In mordern times one could call the various (fortified) bases on atolls and islands Atollonton.
    Examples: Diego Garcia Base; Wake Island Base; Johnston Atoll Base.

    Could it be that Atlantis (America) has already risen and the so-called fortified atoll bases or Atollonton / Atollontona (tona plural form of ton) are her outposts?

    Remember; “There is nothing new under the sun”.

    Sources:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atoll

    Diego Garcia Base:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Biot-travel-svg-map.svg/1038px-Biot-travel-svg-map.svg.png

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/Chagos_map.PNG/1016px-Chagos_map.PNG (Chagos Archipelago)

    Wake Island Base:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/44/Wake_Island_NASA_photo_map.jpg/1280px-Wake_Island_NASA_photo_map.jpg

    Johnston Atoll Base:
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/Johnston_Atoll_satellite_map.jpg/1280px-Johnston_Atoll_satellite_map.jpg

    ftp://ftp.soest.hawaii.edu/pibhmc/website/data/pria/optical/johnston/joh_toad.jpg (Johnston Atoll Optical Validation)

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    • markveale@hotmail.com'

      Hi, I am 100% in agreement with you now that there was a bronze age Kingdom of the America’s based on earth works, bronze age tools, Gaelic word connections and also with Native American, European, Egyptian, and Greek lore. These Bronze age peoples most likely were connected to the ancient Sea ports of Savanna, The Azores, a city called IS, and the city called Tarshish in Spain. The Caribbean islands, South East US, Europe land mass was affected by a comet strike it would seem around 1200 BC. The Egyptians priest of “Sais” used a moon calendar so perhaps a recalculated time of 1200 BC for the Bronze age kingdom fall is in order?

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      • urisahatu@yahoo.com'

        Mark, Without any extensive research by expert archaeologists and such, all the above mentioned are nothing more than theories and speculations. Maybe there are experts reading these posts and comments and are willing to take the risk to set up a research team to find the true Atlantis or at least find proof of the exsistance of Atlantis in ancient texts, artifacts etc.

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  4. urisahatu@yahoo.com'

    Meaning of the word/name ATLANTIS Found?
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    In doing more extensive research on the possible origin of the word and name Atlantis I found something of interest and importance.
    Knowing that Plato’s story about Atlantis is linked to an ideal state and to civilization; I looked up the meaning of the words state and city.

    Quotes from wikipedia and Oxford English Dictionary:
    “A state is a compulsory political organization with a centralized government that maintains a monopoly of the legitimate use of force within a certain geographical territory.”

    “The word city and the related civilization come, via Old French, from the Latin root civitas, originally meaning citizenship or community member and eventually coming to correspond with urbs, meaning city in a more physical sense. The Roman civitas was closely linked with the Greek “polis”—another common root appearing in English words such as metropolis.”

    I noticed the word civitas and wondered if tas was a suffix with any meaning. The following is what I found during my research.
    ———

    tas

    from Latin
    pronunciation taIs.

    From Proto-Indo-European -teh₂ts, whence also Ancient Greek -της (-tēs) and Sanskrit -ताति (-tāti). See also -tūs.

    Suffix

    -tās f (genitive -tātis); third declension

    -ty, -dom, -hood, -ness, -ship; Used to form nouns indicating a state of being.

    Usage notes

    The suffix -tās is added to an adjective (or sometimes a noun) to form an abstract third declension feminine noun indicating a state or condition.

    Examples:

    potis (“able”) + -tas → potestās (“ability”)
    difficilis (“difficult, troublesome”) + -tas → difficultās (“difficulty, trouble”)
    līber (“free”) + -tas → lībertās (“liberty, freedom”)

    Synonyms

    (-ty, -ness): -ia, -itia, -tūdō
    ———

    -ness

    Etymology
    From Middle English -nes, -nesse, from Old English -nis, -nes, from Proto-Germanic *-nassuz. This suffix was formed already in Proto-Germanic by false division of the final consonant *-n- of the preceding stem + the actual suffix *-assuz. The latter was in turn derived from an earlier *-at(s)-tuz, from the verbal suffix *-at-janą + the noun suffix *-þuz.
    Cognates are Old Saxon -nissi, -nussi, Dutch -nis, German -nis and Gothic (-assus), (-inassus).

    Suffix

    -ness

    Appended to adjectives to form nouns meaning “the state of being(the adjective)”, “the quality of being(the adjective)”, or “the measure of being(the adjective)”.

    calm + -ness → calmness
    dark + -ness → darkness
    kind + -ness → kindness
    one + -ness → oneness

    Appended to words of other parts of speech to form nouns (often nonce words or terms in philosophy) meaning the state/quality/measure of the idea represented by these words.

    that + -ness → thatness
    tree + -ness → treeness
    ———

    nonce word

    Etymology
    From for the nonce and word. Coined by James Murray, the influential editor of the Oxford English Dictionary.

    Noun

    nonce word (plural nonce words)

    (lexicography) A word invented for the occasion.
    ———

    When my theory and thoughts are right, the word and name Atlantis is a nonce word or an invented word for the occasion in terms in philosophy.

    Explanation:

    The word -tas or -tēs in Ancient Greek is used to form nouns indicating a state of being. Synonymous to -tas/-tēs is the word -ness.
    When -ness is used in terms in philosophy to form nouns meaning the state/quality/measure of the idea represented by a word like treeness “The essence of what it means to be a tree; the qualities that make a tree what it is” the same could be applied to -tas/-tēs.

    Plato was a philosopher in Classic Greece also known to be the founder of the Academy in Athens believed to be the first institution of higher learning in the Western world.
    In this case Plato being a philosopher ;if not copying his teacher Socrates or other philosophers before and or of his time; probably took the Dhivehi indo-aryan word atholhu or perhaps a word form of proto-indo-european similar to the word atollon from atholhu (ring shaped coral reef island) combined it with the Ancient Greek word -tēs forming atollon-tēs / atollontēs.

    Atollon-tēs / Atollontēs a nonce word meaning “The essence of what it means to be an atoll; the qualities that make an atoll what it is” in other words Atlantis is in essence an atoll especially since it was encircled by rings; qualities that make an atoll what it is – ring shaped / ring shaped qualities.
    ———

    Sources / links:
    Oxford English Dictionary

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_(polity) (state)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City (city)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/civitas (civitas)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-tas#Latin (-tas / tās)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/-teh₂ts (-teh₂ts)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European//-teh₂ (-teh₂)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ness (-ness)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nonce_word (nonce word)

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/treeness#English (treeness)

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