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Video: Ice Age forest found under the waters off the Alabama coast

Video:  Ice Age forest found under the waters off the Alabama coast


This is an amazing story.  Divers have discovered the perfectly preserved tree trunks of a bald cypress forest under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico of the coast of Alabama.  The shores of the Gulf of Mexico were approximately 60 miles farther out than today.   The water has been steadily rising.  There are many mounds under the waters of Perdido Bay and Pensacola Bay, Florida.

Funding has been obtained to launch an extensive scientific study of the trees and the soil beneath them. These studies will tell us much about environmental conditions in the Lower Southeast during the Ice Age.  There is also a strong possibility of very ancient human artifacts being found during this comprehensive study.

The coast of Georgia extended at least 100 miles eastward during the Ice Age.  In 1995,  underwater archaeologists, employed by the State of Georgia, discovered an ancient camp sites on the ocean floor east of Sapelo Island, GA.   They contained numerous artifacts that resembled either Neanderthal or Solutrean weapons and tools in Northwestern Europe.   The archaeologists were canned after one member of their team presented their findings to a meeting of the Northwest Georgia Archaeological Society, a unit of the Society for Georgia Archaeology.  To suggest that Neanderthal and early Homo Sapien hunters might have followed the edge of the Northern Ice Cap to a more comfortable climate in North America, was deemed a criminal offense.  Unable afterward to find work in the Southeast, they moved to another area of the United States. 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.



    I would not be surprised if new World underwater archaeology delivered hominid fossils other than homo sapiens sapiens within the next 20 years.

    • If horses and camels originated in the New World and traveled to the Old World, why not Homo Erectus traveling to the New World?


    Joseph Layden and Richard Thornton,
    What are your thoughts on the recent DNA research (2015) and skull / face reconstruction of Native South Americans (2017) regarding the peopling of the Americas? – Personal opinions may differ greatly.

    Article: Mysterious link emerges between Native Americans and people half a globe away – by Michael Balter – July 21, 2015

    “This week, two major studies of the DNA of living and ancient people try to settle the big questions about the early settlers: who they were, when they came, and how many waves arrived. But instead of converging on a single consensus picture, the studies, published online in Science and Nature, throw up a new mystery: Both detect in modern Native Americans a trace of DNA related to that of native people from Australia and Melanesia.”

    “But the Science team also found a surprising dash of Australo-Melanesian DNA in some living Native Americans, including those of the Aleutian Islands and the Surui people of Amazonian Brazil. Some anthropologists had previously suggested an Australo-Melanesian link. They noted that certain populations of extinct Native Americans had long, narrow skulls, resembling those of some Australo-Melanesians, and distinct from the round, broad skulls of most Native Americans. In the so-called Paleoamerican model, Walter Neves of the University of Sao Pãolo in Brazil and Mark Hubbe of Ohio State University, Columbus, argue that these people descended from an early wave of migration that was separate from the one that gave rise to today’s Native Americans, and drew on a different source population in Asia.”

    Source link:

    Now I present an article from June 6, 2017 which more or less gives the earlier research article from July 21, 2015 more weight of proof which doesn’t mean I agree what is stated in the article itself.

    Article: Were Africans the ‘first Americans’? 3D reconstruction of 10,000-year-old caveman’s face controversially challenges long-held theories about the first settlers – by Janet Tappin Coelho in Brazil and Phoebe Weston for Mailonline – June 6, 2017

    “Digital imaging by Brazilian graphic designer, Cicero Moraes, shows the features of a 40 to 50-year-old prehistoric man named Apiuna whose face resembles Australian Aborigines and suggests Africans were the first colonisers of the Americas”

    Picture face reconstruction Apiuna:

    Source link:

    The problem with the most recent article is the inclusion of the word African since it is already proven that the DNA in the Aleutian Islanders, Amazonian natives such as the Surui and Karitiana are from an Oceanic read Australian Aboriginal and Melanesian (Australo-Melanesian) source.
    With the digital face reconstruction results stating that it resembles Australian Aborigines; the recent article from June 6, 2017 should have been more clear that the Australo-Melanesian is most likely the source population for the earliest people in the Americas.

    Compared to continental Australia (Sahul: including Papua and Tasmania; Melanesia (islands surounding Australia; Papua) and continental Africa; The African continent is practically nextdoor to the South American continent and still the DNA and face reconstruction show up as Australo-Melanesian; which means the source population of the earliest Americans are “NOT” Africans.

    Richard T., As you have stated many times yourself; you try not to proof anything; you follow where the evidence is leading you to.
    The Oceanic / Pacific Ocean People and the Native Americans have a long genetic and cultural link.

    • Hey URISAHATU! You always have tough questions.

      I am Registered Architect and so avoid expressing opinions that are outside the realm of my professional training and experience. What the media never told you in 2012 was that I AM an expert on Mesoamerican cultures, so don’t at all mind discussing those issues. Paleo-Archaeology is NOT one of my strengths, however.
      Nevertheless, all of our human ancestors came from Africa. The routes they took varied considerably. We now know as of this past week that the ancestors of the Australian Aborigines began settling Australia around 65,000 years ago. These people obviously had the nautical technology and canoes to cross wide expanses of ocean. My gut feeling is that the first homo sapiens in the Americas were close relatives of the Australian Aborigines. However, I am also convinced that someday, archaeologists will find proof that Neanderthals, Denisovians, Homo Erectus, etc. came to the Americas much earlier.


    Richard T, Thank you for your reply.

    I know you prefer not to express your opinions outside of the realm of your professional training and experience.
    Having said that; you being very knowledgable about population movements/migrations into and through the Americas is actually very impressive.
    Thank you for letting me know about the new settlement date of the ancestors of the Australian Aborigines.

    Although Paleo-Archaeology is not one of your strengths; I still like you and all the other POOF readers to take a look at the following:

    Article: DNA Study Finds Aboriginal Australians World’s Oldest Civilization – by Christopher Klein – September 23, 2016

    “Around 50,000 years ago, the wave of migration reached Sahul, a prehistoric supercontinent composed of present-day Australia, Tasmania and New Guinea prior to their separation by rising sea levels 10,000 years ago. At that time, according to the study’s authors, Aboriginal Australians became genetically isolated, making it the world’s oldest civilization.”

    “Scholars have long been flummoxed as to why the language spoken by 90 percent of Australia’s Aborigines is relatively young—approximately 4,000 years old according to language experts—if their ancestors had occupied the continent so much earlier. One possible answer has been that a second migration into Australia by people speaking this language occurred around 4,000 years ago. The authors of the new study, however, say a previously unidentified internal dispersal of Aborigines that swept from the northeast across Australia around that time led to the linguistic and cultural linking of the continent’s indigenous people.”

    Source link:

    I include a migration map into the Americas to compare the timelines.

    Map: “The long odyssey of the first Americans”
    Source link:

    From the article, timeline migration map and quotes, one can get a clear picture that the Australian Aboriginals (including Papuans and Melanesians) have been on the Australian (Sahul-)continent for atleast 50,000 years ;and after recent research 65,000 years.
    What is very interesting is that the Australian Aboriginals and Papuans were practically isolated from the rest of the world from the start when populating the Australian continent.
    Keep in mind ;the Americas are seemingly populated around 23,000 years ago; a sudden language change by seemingly a so-called second migration into the Australian continent from the northeast around Australia 4,000 years ago makes it even more interesting.
    It means that the Australo-Melanesian migration into the Americas was between 20,000 and 30,000 years earlier than the second migration 4,000 years ago into the Australian continent.

    This COULD be interpreted that there was an OUT OF AUSTRALIA ;”NOAH”-like scenario – 20,000/30,000 year isolation equals most pure unmixed DNA of homo Sapiens; event across much of the globe into Island Southeast Asia, Mainland (Southeast-)Asia/Eurasia, (eastern-)Africa and the Americas and a later backmigration into Australia.
    Another theory of the so-called second migration and rapid language change/shift into Australia from the northeast is that an unidentified people migrated from east to west which could very well be related to the so-called red-/blonde haired giants who seemingly migrated from the Indus towards the west into the Middle east, Africa and Europe from where they migrated further west into the Americas only to migrate across the Pacific ocean making a stop in northeastern Australia before reaching mainland Asia for their homeland Indus.

    • Well, it is documented that the red haired people colonized New Zealand before the Maori. Why not Australia? Australia would have been much easier to reach with much shorter distances between land.


        Indeed. It would make more sense that the red haired (Indus giants?) people would reach the Australian continent.
        The question now is: Are the Australian Aborigines and Papuans (including Melanesians?) the last most pure ;mostly unmixed; Homo Sapiens who were (still are?) infact protecting themselfs from mixing with red haired (Indus giants) people?
        I’ll leave it there for now since it’s starting to reach a Biblical narrative which could lead into a whole other discussion which should be discussed elsewhere.


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