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Video: The Secret History of the Miccosukee People

Video:  The Secret History of the Miccosukee People

 

Waverly, Alabama . . . Thlophlocco Creek Tribal Town, Oklahoma . . .  the Snowbird Cherokee Band near Robbinsville, North Carolina . . . and a lot of Creek descendants around Auburn, Alabama also have that same secret history.   Now we know why I am finding massive Olmec Civilization style ball courts in Northeast Georgia!

Wikipedia and a whole bunch of anthropology textbooks vaguely tell you that the Miccosukee were from “somewhere” in South Georgia and that they were the same people as the Chiaha.  Not so!   The Chiaha, as their Itza Maya name tells you, are from the Highlands of Chiapas State, Mexico and settled in extreme western North Carolina.   The ancestors of the Miccosukee played a very important role in the history of the Americas and were from another area of Mexico.  We don’t want to spoil your surprise, so enjoy this 25 minute video on the Miccosukee of Florida.

 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

9 Comments

  1. Reillyranch@aol.com'

    What a great educational video. It answered a lot of questions I had about the Mesoamerican connection. There’s still so much to learn and discover. Keep up your ground breaking research. Thank you

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    • Wait till you see the photos of the stone structures, which we are finding!

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  2. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, Thanks for that Great video…and you should be hired to help rewrite the history books concerning the Creeks in Georgia/Alabama. Who knew the “Olmecs” were really the Zokee/Sokee of Mexico, North Carolina/ Georgia but YOU? Did anyone remember that Maya appearance man called Toma-chi-chi stating his Ancient kings had been buried at Savanna, Ga. That seems to be another people that crossed the Atlantic Ocean migrated down the Eastern side…Cuba…then Mexico….then some returned back again. Make me wonder if all the History we have been taught about most Native migrations to this landmass are all backwards? However the Sokee appear to have made it from the Pacific route.

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  3. gpblood61@gmail.com'

    WOW! Amazing information Richard Thank you. I know or considered that probably and mostly the info given in the modern textbooks were and are falsehood and greatly misrepresent native American ancestry. Wow ! thank you so very much and I look forward to your follow up videos. I am of Native American descent from Georgia but know very little of actual family history.

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    • I knew very little about Creek cultural heritage until the Muscogee-Creek Nation hired me to do a series of architectural research projects.

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  4. dgnsandrak@inbox.com'

    Hi there, me again.
    First and perhaps most important, I am firmly in your camp on the overall question of the Mayan involvement in the southeastern indigenous peoples, you are charting out profoundly important tracks of evidence and major areas of inadequate or nonexistent research. That said, please be cautious, to avoid the temptation to oversimplify.
    That said, I want to revisit the Miccosukee dance video, without challenging what they claim about it being an old dance of theirs (I just tried to watch it again, but hit a 404 error). That may well be true, but no matter, the issue is much bigger and far more complex. I pointed out that this dance was indistinguishable from the Apache Gahan dance, which I have seen several times, and videos of which are easily found online. In pursuit of my primary thesis, I found that the same “crown” dancers can still be seen in the Dogon people of Mali (again, search online). I need to emphasize that in no way do I challenge or denigrate the unique and authentic origin or identity of any ethnicity, but this fire alarm must at least be acknowledged.
    So where are we? First, the Apache connection: This is embedded in a cultural/regional zone that is rife with other evidence of Pre-Columbian influence from West Africa – to mention just one example, the cliff dwellings of Mesa Verde are identical with those we see at the Bandiagara Cliffs, in – you guessed it – Mali. We forever hear ” . . . but Mesa Verde was Ancestral Puebloan . . .” which is reasonable, except that the distinction between Puebloan and nomadic people is a lot fuzzier than academics like to pretend. (An unpublished expert in this subject is Dr. C.E. Spruell.) Note that the rhythm and dance style is very consistent among these three examples. Among the Apache the “crowns” seem to have some degree of variability, but in the near millennium since contact, who can tell (yet) who may have gotten more rigid or more creative – maybe the Apache variations have happened recently just to “desacralize” something that could otherwise only be done in a ritual context? As for the kilts, I again agree with your observation, but; if they are a possibly less potent part of the kit, it would be forgivable if they are more limited by local resources, and thus aren’t such literal copies of the “original”, whichever that might have been. Which leads us right back to where we started; was there contact between the Miccosukee and the Apache, and if so, when and how much? I think the ultimate best information will come from meticulous linguistic analyses, now easily done on computers, but far beyond my skill set.
    As for the Mayan Rain God Chac, your suggestion that it might have been inspired by the tapir is not bad, especially if no consideration is given to the possibility of trans-oceanic contact. But you often bring up the liklihood (certainty!) of Scandinavian influence in the Southeast, so we cannot ignore the possibilities of contact with/from Africa. Without that supporting evidence (book in progress), my assertion that Chac is an elephant could be challenged, but for one clincher: Elephants make their own rain!

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    • There is two big differences. Most of the petroglyphs in the Georgia Gold Belt are either identical to those in southern Sweden or southwestern Ireland. Uchee are showing up with lots of Sami and Basque DNA – no pre-Columbian African. The oldest Mayan glyphs are identical to those in southern Sweden from 4000 years ago. But those in Sweden could well have been created by ancestors of the Mayas. The Maya Migration Legend begins in a land of ice. They migrated southward, not southeastward, to reach their land without ice. Apparently, they went straight from northern Russia or Scandinavia to eastern Canada.

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  5. dcaster25@gmail.com'

    Richard,

    I’m having a hard time finding your contact info. I know of a few sites that you might want to take a look at. I grew up in SE Georgia on the Flint River, and still continue to frequent these sites. One particular site is on private land. The others are on the Flint, and the creeks that flow into it. I really appreciate your work. Hope all is well.

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