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Why you could have no Native American DNA, but still have ancestors, who called themselves “Cherokee”

Why you could have no Native American DNA, but still have ancestors, who called themselves “Cherokee”

Last night at a meeting of an archaeological society,  a POOF subscriber informed me that a prominent leader of the Trail of Tears Association had learned that she had NO Asiatic DNA.  In other words, she had no Native American ancestry.  Her lifetime fascination with all things Cherokee was just that. 

I suspected this all along because her physical features looked like a combination of Semitic and Northern European.  One of POOF’s most popular articles this year was about a lovely Cherokee Princess with jet black hair from the Georgia Mountains, who discovered that she was really a Sephardic Princess.  She has NO Asiatic DNA, but over twice the Semitic DNA of a typical American or European practicing Jew and a whole lot of Spanish and Armenian thrown in to boot.  To read this article again, see Dahlonega Princess.

There is a reason why the four earliest synagogues in North America were in Neiuw Amsterdam; Newport, Rhode Island; Savannah, GA and Charleston, SC.  The Dutch colonists, plus the settlers of Rhode Island, Georgia and South Carolina welcomed Jewish immigrants.  Elsewhere in the French and Spanish colonies of the Americas, they would be considered criminals.  In the other British colonies, they would not be allowed to worship in public and had virtually no civil rights. In several New England colonies, Jews were not even allowed to live there, but also would not be burned at the stake as in Latin America.   This dirty little secret from the past explains to a great degree the strange contradictions that are associated with Cherokee history and cultural identity today.

Featured Image:   I first visited this site in April 2010, after a Snowbird Cherokee lady, who worked at a convenience store in Robbinsville, NC, told me that Hernando de Soto had carved his name and date on a stone near Hoopers Gap. The real story is even more fascinating than that.

On September 15, 1615 (Julian calendar) a man and woman of Sephardic Jewish heritage followed the ancient teachings of Judaism to legitimate their marriage.  The place is Hoopers Bald at about 5,400 feet above sea level in the Great Smoky Mountains of North Carolina.  From ancient times, when a priest or rabbi was not available,  a couple could marry before YHYH “on a high place sacred to YHWH” by announcing their betrothal to those assembled and praying together.   The inscription on a sacred stone became their wedding certificate.  

Some locals knew about the stone and assumed it was “Latin or something” but could not explain the early date.   The director of the Department of Anthropology at the University of Tennessee was shown a photograph of the inscription by Frank McClung, head of the historical society in Robbinsville, NC.   The famous archaeologist said that the words were Latin and meant “Land we hold”  He said that they were inscribed by Spaniards as claim to the all the lands in sight.” 

No, no, no . . . you are a PhD in Anthropology and can’t even use a Spanish dictionary?   Pre was the Ladino word for prayer used by Sephardic Jews!  Spanish Roman Catholics use suplicación.  The words mean:

Prayer we will give – married  September 15, 1615

THAT is a game changer!

Creek PrideVery frankly, if one is part Muskogean, you learn it the hard way at an early age.  You pop out of your mommy with a thick crop of black hair.  Your first memory is looking around the maternity ward to learn that all “normal” babies are bald. Shoes, clothing and football helmets don’t fit your body.  Dentists tell you that you have strange-looking teeth. The back of your skull looks like a Neanderthal, or more accurately, a Denisovan skull from Siberia.  Our skulls are thicker and denser than most Europeans and Africans.  When I was six months old, the father of actor Pernell Roberts (Bonanza) intentionally held me by my legs and dropped me head first on a concrete floor.  That would have killed or thoroughly brain-damaged a Caucasian or African baby.  It just made me not like people holding my legs.  LOL

During the spring of 2016, POOF heard from a citizen of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma.  She is a direct maternal and paternal descendant of one of the most prominent Cherokee families . . . the Vanns.   They fought with the Chickamauga Cherokees then fled to Pine Log in northern Bartow County, GA after the catastrophic defeat at Etowah Cliffs . . . along with Sequoyah, the Hicks Brothers and Major Ridge.  However, the Vanns soon flipped 180 degrees and quickly adopted the slave-owning, plantation culture of the white elite in Georgia. Within a few years they were very wealthy . . . well, the wealthiest Cherokees of them all.  In 1803, James Vann built one of the first Greek Revival houses in the United States and it is still considered one of the finest examples of Antebellum architecture.

Even though the Vanns had intermarried for two centuries with other Cherokees, this Cherokee Princess of the Vann royal house has NO Asiatic DNA.   Her non-British DNA markers are Semitic, Iberian, North African, Anatolian and Egyptian.  That means that the famous Cherokee Chiefs James Vann and David Vann did not have a drop of Native American blood in them . . . nor did any of the Cherokee ancestors of this lady, who James Vann’s offspring married.  Were they Native Americans?  No!  Were they Cherokees?  Yes!   It is obviously not the same thing.  The on-going efforts of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma to squash state-recognized Native American tribes is hypocritical beyond belief.  If you changed their Constitution to require at least 10% Asiatic DNA rather than descent from an ancestor on a tribal roll,  they would barely exist as a tribe . . . perhaps only a few hundred members, if that many.

I seriously doubt that blue-eyed Principal Chief John Ross had much Native American ancestry.  “On paper” he was no more than 1/8th Native American, but he actually looked more Semitic than anything else.  He did not look Native American at all . . . which is the case for the majority of Cherokees . . . if you know what Native American skulls look like. 

The same could be said for Ross’s mentor and immediate predecessor in the position of Cherokee Principal Chief, Charles Hicks.  “On paper” Hicks was 7/8ths Scottish and 1/8th Cherokee.  Was he even that much Native American?   His mother was from the village of Tamatili on the Valley River near where the new Cherokee casino was built.  Tamatli was originally a colony of the Tamatli Creeks of Southeast Georgia.  Yet Charles Hicks considered himself, through and through, a Cherokee.  In 1826, he wrote the most complete and accurate history of the Cherokees that is available . . . far more accurate than what the Cherokees are publishing today or what Smithsonian ethnologist, James Mooney, published in the 1890s. 

When Mooney came to the North Carolina Mountains, he could find very few Cherokees, who knew anything about their tribal history before the Trail of Tears.  They would not know the Sequoyah Syllabary until the 1990s, when taught its use by white professors.  One elderly man, named The Swimmer, claimed to know more of their heritage, but much of what he told Mooney were his versions of children’s stories and his history did not jive with that of the well-educated Charles Hicks.

The famous Indian trader and author, James Adair married a Chickasaw woman. She was born in a Chickasaw village located where later the Cherokee capital of New Echota would be built.  Adair freely admitted that his wife was “half Jewish.”  Was she in fact, mostly Jewish?   However, Adair also mentioned meeting a tribe of “Cherokees” in the North Carolina Mountains, who only spoke Hebrew . . . in fact, an archaic form of Hebrew that was no longer used in Europe.   They were called “Cherokees” by white traders, but didn’t understand a word of the Cherokee language.  Adair was supposedly an uneducated Irishman, who came to America in his youth and lived most of his life in the wilderness.  Yet, he spoke four dialects of Hebrew and was fluent in the Jewish alphabet.  He was able to carry on conversations with the “Cherokee” Jews.   That does not add up.  Obviously, Adair was Jewish himself and far more educated than what his biography admits.

When the Cherokees formed an alliance with Great Britain at the onset of the American Revolution,  Adair raced his family to northwest Georgia, where his mixed blood children could be protected by their Chickasaw kin.  Adair knew that white frontiersmen would retaliate with a blood bath on any American Indian family they found in Cherokee territory . . . in response to the initial Cherokee massacre.  They settled on Oothlooga Creek in what is now Adairsville, GA.  They built water mills, lumber mills and an iron foundry.  They thrived. 

Soon other white traders from Augusta, GA with Indian wives and mixed-blood children arrived.  They had such names as Rogers, Saunders, Thompson, Dunn, Parker, Quinton, Ralston, Davis, Garner,  and Harnage.  Many of their wives were from tribes other than the Cherokees, because they were settling in UPPER CREEK and CHICKASAW territory . . . tribes that were not associated with the massacres on the South Carolina frontier in 1776.  However, when in 1786, the Cherokees were given all of northwest Georgia as “hunting territory” the majority of mixed heritage offspring started calling themselves Cherokees, so they could remain in the region.  These were the first “Cherokees”  in Northwest Georgia.   These mixed blood descendants came to dominate the Cherokee Nation, when it was established in Georgia and still are prominent family names among the Oklahoma Cherokees.

Sephardic miners in the Southern Appalachians

When in the closing days of the American Revolution,  John Sevier and John Tipton led wagon trains of settlers from Shenandoah County, Virginia to what is now Northeastern Tennessee, they encountered several, very old, Spanish-speaking Jewish villages in their designated homeland.  I formerly owned Tipton’s home in Shenandoah County.  Both men wrote about these observations in their memoirs, but the presence of  longtime Jewish settlers, but no Cherokees, around Johnson City and Elizabethton, TN has been conveniently forgotten.

During the 20th century the famous North Carolina historian, Foster Sondley, plus several lesser known geologists and historians, documented the presence of many Spanish-speaking Jewish colonists in the North Carolina Mountains long before the “Cherokees” arrived in the region around 1700 AD.  There was a huge colony of Spanish gem miners in the Toe River Valley.  However, throughout the region from Cherokee and Graham Counties eastward to Burke County, there are old colonial archives and actual artifacts associated with these colonists.  

The first influx of Sephardi probably were transported from Europe by Dutch ships at a time when what is now the Netherlands and Belgium were ruled by Spain.   The Dutch sea captains were secretly Protestant, but could sail in Spanish-claimed waters because they were Spanish subjects.  They dropped off their refugees on the coasts of South Carolina and Georgia.  The refugees then made their way inland. 

The next wave of Sephardic refugees seems to have sailed en masse from Cartagena, Colombia in 1610, when the Inquisition suddenly showed up.  Sephardic Jews were the economic elite of that city.  They had made their wealth off of gold and silver mines, plus the Native American/African slave trade.  Cartagena was one of three cities in the Americas in which Spanish authorities allowed public slave markets.

Throughout the late 1500s and 1600s, the Spaniards captured hundreds of thousands of non-Catholic Christian galley slaves and grunt soldiers in their defense of Europe from the attacks of the Ottoman Turk Muslims.  Most of the Turkish sailors and infantrymen were conscripted Christians, who composed 1/3 of the population of the Ottoman Empire.  As Christians, they could not be enslaved by Spain, but as non-Roman Catholics, they could not live in Spain or its colonies.  Apparently,  many made their way to the hinterlands of the New World.

Until the 21st century, the Jackson County, NC (Sylva) history stated that when the first Cherokees arrived in their county in 1745, they encountered Spanish-speaking whites with long beards, living with their families in log houses, who worshiped “a book”.   The Cherokees killed the men and kept the women.  Jackson County’s history now states that the Cherokee have lived there for 10,000 years. 

The former Clay County, NC (Hayesville) history said that around 1694, Cherokee deer hunters from South Carolina encountered bearded, Spanish-speaking white men living in the vicinity of the future Cherokee village of Quanasee.  They were also killed.  The future Governor James Moore of South Carolina also wrote that he encountered Spanish speaking Jews in both what is now Murphy, North Carolina and the Nacoochee Valley of Georgia.  Clay County’s history now also says that the Cherokees have been there for 10,000 years.

While I was living in the Asheville, NC Area in the 1980s,  geologists obtained radiocarbon dates for sawn wood timbers in several ancient mines in such widespread locations as the base of Mount Mitchell,  Nantahala Gorge and immediately east of Murphy, NC.  The mines were dated from 1590 AD to 1620 AD. The geologists published books and wrote academic papers on their findings.  Their discoveries were reported in North Carolina newspapers.  In the past 20 years, those books have been swept from the bookshelves of public libraries in Western North Carolina. 

Why is there all this censorship of history in North Carolina that most people elsewhere would find to be fascinating?  It’s the big lie.  Since the mid-1970s,  North Carolina academicians, in particular, their archaeologists and history professors, plus the bureaucrats in the Eastern Band of Cherokees, have created a fraudulent history for a tribe that was artificially created by British authorities in the Late Colonial Period.  The Cherokees are now presented as the original occupants of the Americas, who have always lived in Western North Carolina, but who once ruled an empire than spanned most of the Southeastern United States and were “the ancestors of the Aztecs and Mayas.” Never mind the DNA tests show this master race to be multi-ethnic and tri-racial, with Asiatic (Native American) DNA being a minuscule portion of the mixture.  If any portion of the lie is found to be totally implausible, the entire stack of cards will come crashing  down. . . along with the careers of dozens of Caucasian archaeologists and historians.  Their dissertations and professional papers will be thrown in the trash. 

The key role of French, Dutch and Scottish Protestants in this secret history

The Rev. John Calvin was a dominant figure in the Protestant Reformation from his base in Geneva, Switzerland. The Protestant Churches of France, the Netherlands and Scotland are based primarily on Calvin’s teachings, not Martin Luther’s.

While he hated his arch-enemies,  the Roman Catholic nobility and Jesuits,  Calvin and his followers went out of their way to protect and nurture Jewish families . . . particularly the Sephardic Jews, who had be so persecuted by the Spanish Inquisition. 

Calvin believed that the Bible should be interpreted literally.   Genesis 12:3 and Numbers 24.9 specifically state a shared blessing or curse toward other nationalities because of the manner in which they treat the Jews.  Spain, once the super-power of the world, certainly seemed to have cursed itself. Nazi Germany would have probably won World War II, had it not exterminated some of it brightest citizens and devoted so much energy into extending that extermination program to all of Europe.  Well . . . the Muslim world is not exactly the number one place to move to these days, is it?

Numbers 14:9 states:  “The nation of Israel is like a mighty lion; When it is sleeping, no one dares wake it. Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed, And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.”

Thousands and thousands of Jews were welcomed into the towns of the Netherlands and Scotland.  Initially, many settled in France also, until the Protestants were crushed by Spanish troops, employed by the French Catholics. In all three countries, the Jews usually changed their names to appear “local.”  For example, Boone was derived from a Sephardic name. Morelos became Morel.   De Seville became Sevier, etc.  Croquette (Crockett), Solomon, Samuels, Benjamin, David, Davis, Adam and Adams were popular new family names for Jewish refugees.  Over time, the superficial claim of being Christian among many Sephardic families actually turned into Christian beliefs because rabbis were so rare on the frontier.

As long as there was enormous pressure by the Southern Planter Class to expel Native Americans to the Indian Territory (Oklahoma) Jewish descendants probably explained their dark hair and olive complexions as being Black Dutch or Black Irish.  Black Dutch (Svart Duets) was actually the Dutch name for Jewish immigrants.  Once most of the Southeastern Indians were gone, though,  the Cherokees were remembered as being the most docile.  Therefore, in order to avoid discrimination because of being Jewish,  the longtime Jewish occupants of the Southeast began saying that they were part-Cherokee.   And thus the myth of “my great-grandmother was a Cherokee Princess” was born. 

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.



    Great article! While cleaning up our pecan orchard for my Parents 60th wedding anniversary a neighbor was helping bush hogging with out a guard. A chunk of green pecan was propelled from under the machine and struck me on the side of my head. A 90 year old elder witnessed this. When I crossed the road to attend the Reception he called me over and basically told me “It is a good thing I had my Mothers blood (Irish and Creek) in me because that “lick” would have killed a Turner! Now I know why. Thanks again for all you do!!

    an Elder

    • A Creek lady in Alabama told me a similar story. She said that her son experienced a serious head injury while playing high school football. The doctors could not figure out why his was not completely paralyzed for life or even killed instantly. They looked closely at the xrays. Her son’s skull was quite different in shape and construction than any skull that they had ever studied. The doctors told her that the extra buttressing (for lack of a better term) in the back of her son’s skull kept him from being full paralyzed the rest of his life or being killed. Her son recovered completely, but decided not to play college football because of the scare.


        I would add that when I was 4, I fell out of a window two stories up and landed on my head. I had no damage. My sisters had another explanation for that.
        When I was 17, I was hit across the face with a waterski. I was knocked unconscious. I was rushed to the hospital where the doctors said that I should not be alive. Since I was, they thought I would be paralyzed and have a broken knock. 8 hours later, I did walk out of the ER.
        I am to have Creek, Shawnee, Powhatan, Chickasaw, and Cherokee in me.


      David. I would love to know about your family. My Great Grandmother was a Turner whose father was Irish and mother was Creek.


    Richard – from a family genetic heritage perspective, what about the prominent eyebrow that our Bone family has passed down for generations? As I remember from those grand “Family Reunion” days and your grandfather’s great Brunswick Stew (Uncle Obie could cook a mean pot of stew!), many of the Bone clan had the prominent brow ridge in addition to other facial and cranial features that you have described in the past.

    Another question, how accurate do you think the current home-use DNA/genetic marker tests are? (Such as the 23 and Me saliva and inner-cheek swab sampling tests.)

    Still traveling the world, trying to make a few $$. The nomadic spirit must have settled in me after all of these millennia…

    • Ray, this spring an archaeologist, who has been working on Maya sites in Guatamala, Chiapas and Belize for 50 years thought I was more Kekchi Maya than Creek. The Kekchi were Highland Mayas, who built agricultural terraces like we are finding in NE Georgia, so it makes sense. Of course, he was from another part of the US and was not familiar with the fact that a lot of Georgia Creeks are part Maya. However, someone else sent me a photo of a Kekchi Maya and the guy sure does look like me . . . and the Bones. I am sending you that photo via regular email. You will also see a bit of yourself in that photo.

      As far as the commercial DNA labs go, I am told by Ric Edwards, our POOF DNA guru, that the reliability of the commercial labs varies a great deal. There are NO DNA test markers for Native American tribes in the eastern United States, but there are test markers for the various divisions of the Mayas.


      Cousin Richard


        Richard: Just read a little and shared. Will study later. You have many intriguing thoughts with information and evidence worthy of increasing study and research. Talk to you later….


    And a P.S. to previous post:
    Interesting observation regarding skull structure and thickness. In my first game of my first year playing football (4th grade), I took a blow directly to the top of my helmet. I had lowered my head and crashed through the line as the coach had instructed us to do. My helmet literally cracked into several pieces. Fortunately for me, the helmet actually stayed together due to some very thin webbing on the inside. Neither I nor the coach new this until after the game. The blow should have knocked me out at the least. Over the years, I have received several strong blows to my head/skull ut have only suffered one concussion (mild). I did develop several bone spurs in my neck due to trauma which had to be removed. In the pro-op process for the bone spurs, I had a neck and skull MRI. there was no evidence of any traumatic brain damage despite the numerous (medical record supported) severe blows to the skull.
    Of course, some individuals and family disagree! Fro my part, i have always heard those “distant drums” and observe the seen and unseen world differently. The difference is now I have a better understanding of why…

    • That’s a typical story for many families. Some people hear the drums more than others. I know of some Alabama Creek families where one or two daughters were born to be healers and medicine women. The rest of their siblings were totally disinterested in anything having to do with Native American culture.

      Similar stories to your cracked helmet has been told me by a lot of people. Only doctors, who are Native Americans seem to know that there are physiological differences because of ethnic backgrounds.



        Very interesting, thought-provoking essay. Thank you for writing and posting it.

        I do wonder, though, regarding your comment about only doctors who are Native Americans know there are physiological differences because of ethnic backgrounds, how that is possible? It is obvious to laypeople that peoples from different countries and continents have different features from each other, evolving to fit into and survive the environments from which we descend, so how can it be that all doctors do not know that?

        • They just don’t. Part of the problem is that Native Americans are now viewed as an insignificant percentage of the United States’ population. That is why the mainstream TV and movie industry almost never portrays contemporary Native American families in TV series and movies. Even on the extremely rare occasion when a fairly recent Native American issue is the theme of a movie – such as the 1992 film “Thunderheart” staring Val Kilmer . . . the movie portrays Native Americans as one dimensional characters and does not delve into their physiological differences or family life. However, in the Southeast and Southwest there are millions of people, who are part indigenous . . . especially if you consider the fact that most Latin American immigrants are predominantly indigenous genetically. Think how many decades . . . well centuries . . . it took for doctors to admit that African Americans had special healthcare needs, such as the genetic tendency toward sickle cell anemia. Many doctors are still not aware that Melungeons are prone to some inherited diseases that are very rare in other ethnic groups. You get the gist.


    Interesting identification of Sephardic mining community in Johnson City, TN. My family is from nearby Bluff City where they’ve been since the 18th century at least (also a presence in Elizabethton). I’ve been mystified that father’s dominant mtDNA is W an extremely rare haplogroup that isn’t well identified (for genetic history) yet at least in terms that would make sense for this location. However, there is this:

    “Semitic Duwa” informed us that Polish geneticists are testing ancient Judean samples. He also wrote that ancient Judean mtDNA samples were collected from the tomb of the shroud in Akeldama in Jerusalem and that “Most samples belonged to MtDNA haplogroups W (5 samples) and H (around four samples). Some of the (presumably) H samples might’ve been V or J1 instead. This is all to be found in Matheson et al. 2009.”

    And this:

    “The direct comparison of ancient and modern DNA samples, allowing a diachronic view of human history, can be an important test of inferences based on data from extant populations. Having improved the resolution of the N1a1b and W phylogenies, we were then able to re-evaluate the published I and W control-region haplotypes from ancient specimen (Table 3) in the context of the modern variation of I and W mitogenomes (Figure S1 and Figure S2). Since only information relative to the HVS-I is available, most of the ancient I and W mtDNAs bear basal and/or common haplotypes, which could not be further classified within any subclade. However, a few informative cases were identified. A Spanish middle Neolithic sample [40] bearing the haplogroup I control-region motif 16264-16270-16311-16319-16362 (from the root of I) (Table 3) can now be classified within I1c1. The identification of this sample has already been interpreted as indicating genetic continuity in the Iberian Peninsula since the Neolithic period and (more contentiously, given the paucity of Mesolithic evidence from Iberia) that the diffusion of agriculture followed a demic model in the Mediterranean area [40]. We found that the same I1c1 haplotype is shared by five mitogenomes in our phylogeny (#60-64 in Figure S1), of which four are of unknown geographic/ethnic origin but one (sample #64, sequenced in the present study) was of North Italian origin. This result provides a further confirmation of our findings, based on the analysis of haplogroup I phylogeny, that (i) subclade I1c1 was likely a marker of Neolithic dispersal in Europe (rather than, for example, having been brought from the Near East much more recently by the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews, some of whom carry this lineage [67], [68]) and (ii) the distribution and age might support a demic model of Neolithic diffusion in the Mediterranean area. Similarly, a probable member of haplogroup W3 in the same Spanish Neolithic sample [40], sharing the haplotype 16292-16295-16304 (against the root of N) with a mitogenome from Azerbaijan (sample #127) in our phylogeny), may point to Neolithic dispersal from the Near East into Europe.”

    Thank you for this. I look forward to the day when someone finds one of the old mines or remains of a pre-British European community in the Johnson City-Bluff City-Elizabethton area.

    • I can’t understand why the archaeologists are not looking for them. There were two discovered in the heart of the Nacoochee Valley in Georgia. One was mentioned in the first archaeology book on the Southeastern Indians by Charles Jones in 1873. We know exactly! where those villages were and yet no one has tried to excavate them.


    Any chance you could provide a title or citation to publications containing the Tipton or Sevier memoirs? It would save time trying to track them down. Thanks.

    • Sevier’s book is published and I believe available on Tipton’s memoir is in a box deep within the recesses of my rental storage bend.

      Google “John Sevier – Melungeons – Jewish villages.”


    My sister had her DNA done. My family was in for a big shock. We were all ready to find out how much Indian. Afterall, my grandmother had huge teeth. We were going to find out how much Jew. My father’s family was supposed to have Jewish ancestry. Well, we are almost all northwestern European, primarily English and Irish. There was no native American, no Jew. It was a moment of silence when we looked at each other.

    My mother who is 86 told her 93 year old aunt. The Aunt does not believe it. I am just surprised that our ancestry was pretty much one thing. My family goes back to the 1600s with three grandparents. Three of my great-grandparents had degrees of Native Blood. What surprises me the most was that the story was passed down to my grandmother.

    Anyway, I’m still a big fan of you and POOF. I don’t care how hard your head is; I don’t recommend tempting fate and dropping a child on their head. I have heard that the Cherokee never get Alzheimers which is a good deal. Take care.

    • Ann, you may still have Native American blood. If the lab compared your Mesoamerican or Muskogean DNA to Canadian Algonquin DNA, the computer would say that you had no Native American heritage. The commercial labs are not telling their customers that there are NO DNA test indicators for the Creek, Seminole and Uchee Peoples. Full blood Uchees are being told that they have no Native American heritage.


        Well, this is good to know. My sister used 23 and me. My mom and I are going to do the Ancestry one and I will do what Lara has recommended below. My 93 year old aunt is more than a little upset. I wish my mom had not told her. The whole family on that side is very surprised. I thought of not posting the results but I am glad I did.


      Ann, I bet your sister did the DNA test at I did it and was shocked that my Native Am. DNA didn’t show up. But when I downloaded my DNA results file unto the website, it showed up there! It was split in 3 parts, South American, Meso-American and North American! You can get your sister to download the DNA file unto Gedmatch and I bet it will show up there, plus any Jewish ancestry..which might be under “west Asian”. There’s several DNA projects to choose from for ethnic mix results.


        Lara, thanks for sharing this! My DNA test from Ancestry showed no NA (supposedly great-grandfather was Cherokee, but I have not even been able to find out who his parents were, much less if there was any tribal connection), but did show Iberian Peninsula and European Jewish. I’m going to check out gedmatch and see what happens.

        Is there any place that DNA results of those who have claimed/been told they have Cherokee ancestry has been collected? Can people contribute?


    Richard, my full autosomal test results are: W. Orkney, Palestinian, Adygei, Bedouin, Druze, Iranian, Jewish.
    Having been raised as a Swamp Indian with Granny’s origins in/near present-day Fargo, GA, I was at minimal, severely shocked to read above autosomal results. At age seventeen, a dentist told me my teeth indicated non-Caucasian; at birth my Mother described the “strawberry” above my coccyx. Three of my children were born with mops of black hair among other criteria named in article, yet I show no Native blood.

    Thanks for posting the articles of interest to so many of us.


    • Fran, if you have shovel teeth and had the strawberry, you could only be one of three things . . . Native American, Maori or Hawaiian. Even most Polynesians don’t have both – except in Hawaii and New Zealand. Full-blooded Uchee Indians are showing up as not being Native American, because the commercial labs are not using the right DNA test markers.

      You’re Native American and Sephardic Jewish, no matter what the DNA test says.


        Richard, blessings on you and your work. An add-on, as a nine year old, I was hit on left side of head with iron skillet swung hard by adult. For awhile I remembered little, but remained otherwise functional. Our Elder said that blow should have killed me. Well, still here to bless you and your work.



    ” seriously doubt that blue-eyed Principal Chief John Ross had much Native American ancestry. “On paper” he was no more than 1/8th Native American, but he actually looked more Semitic than anything else. ”
    Now i see the very archaeologists you slam for unsubstantial, non-referenced work has rubbed off. John ross looks as semitic as michael jordan looks like a creek chief lol.

    • He looks Sephardic, so does many of his descendants living today in Georgia and Tennessee.. The Calvinists invited thousands of Sephardic Jews to settle in Scotland. Most of the refugees changed their names to a Scottish or English form. For example, Rozanes became Ross. Many, if not most of the Indian traders, dealing with the Cherokees and Creeks were Jewish. Creek Chief William McIntosh was the grandson of a Jewish traders,


    This helps explain why I have both Native American and Jewish dna results.

    I was adopted and I learned through my birth mother that my maternal family’s oral tradition is that my great grandparents were Choctaw and Cherokee, with my great grandmother being born on a reservation in Oklahoma.

    I took my dna test with Dna Consultants and expected to have Native American because of what I had been told. The Choctaw and (unexpectedly) Alaska Athabaskan showed up, but no Cherokee.

    I also have A LOT of Spanish (Iberian/Portugal), middle eastern (Morrocan Berber) and Jewish (Sephardic and Ashkenazi-Hungarian).

    I was stunned when I read in the article that two of the names used by Jewish refugees was “David, Davis”, because my gg grandfather’s name was David Davis!

    The name David is Jewish and means “son of David “

    My maternal grandmother’s middle name was “Naoma” and it is a Jewish name. Her niece took a dna test and it showed Ashkenazi Jewish, approximately 3%.

    I tested my mtdna as well and my haplogroup is T2B4, which I understand from other articles, one written by Dr Donald Yates from Dna Consultants, is a middle eastern haplogroup and that the T haplogroup was also surprisingly showing up on the maternal lines of Cherokee dna samples.

    As an adoptee, this information has helped immensely in connecting the dots and helping me understand the connection between having Native American and Jewish bloodlines.


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