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Your thoughts on this latest theory on migration into the Americas?

Your thoughts on this latest theory on migration into the Americas?

 

Recent geological and climatic studies have revealed that there was NEVER a clear passage from Siberia to the heartland of North America between around 25,000 BC and 10,000 BC.  Archaeological digs in the past decade have revealed that the oldest Clovis points are along the Savannah River between South Carolina and Georgia.  The same team from the University of South Carolina identified Pre-Clovis artifacts below the Clovis strata that radiocarbon dated to 15,000 BP and 50,000 BP.    The last date is controversial because the stone artifacts look like the tools made by Homo Erectus, not modern humans.  Stone points have been found in Virginia that are identical to Solutrean points in Western Europe, which were produced between 22,000–17,000 BP.  It was not possible to accurately radiocarbon date the Virginia points, but they were found in ancient soil layer.

The following text is an excerpt from an article on indigenous American DNA, which was published in the University of California-Berkeley News website.  The article states that humans arrived in the Americas around 15,000 BP, but fails to mention that the oldest known human skeletons found in southern Mexico and western South America predate by several thousand years to opening of a land route from western Alaska to the remainder of North America.

The Beringian standstill

Clues came from a 2007 paper and later a 2015 study by Hlusko’s coauthor Dennis O’Rourke, in which scientists deduced from the DNA of Native Americans that they split off from other Asian groups more than 25,000 years ago, even though they arrived in North American only 15,000 years ago. Their conclusion was that Native American ancestors settled for some 10,000 years in an area between Asia and North America before finally moving into the New World. This so-called Beringian standstill coincided with the height of the Last Glacial Maximum between 18,000 and 28,000 years ago.

According to the Beringian standstill hypothesis, as the climate became drier and cooler as the Last Glacial Maximum began, people who had been living in Siberia moved into Beringia. Gigantic ice sheets to the east prohibited migration into North America. They couldn’t migrate southwest because of a large expanse of a treeless and inhospitable tundra. The area where they found refuge was a biologically productive region thanks to the altered ocean currents associated with the last ice age, a landmass increased in size by to the lower sea levels. Genetic studies of animals and plants from the region suggest there was an isolated refugium in Beringia during that time, where species with locally adaptive traits arose. Such isolation is ripe for selection on genetic variants that make it easier for plants, animals and humans to survive.

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Richard Thornton is a professional architect, city planner, author and museum exhibit designer-builder. He is today considered one of the nation’s leading experts on the Southeastern Indians. However, that was not always the case. While at Georgia Tech Richard was the first winner of the Barrett Fellowship, which enabled him to study Mesoamerican architecture and culture in Mexico under the auspices of the Institutio Nacional de Antropoligia e Historia. Dr. Roman Piňa-Chan, the famous archaeologist and director of the Museo Nacional de Antropologia, was his fellowship coordinator. For decades afterward, he lectured at universities and professional societies around the Southeast on Mesoamerican architecture, while knowing very little about his own Creek heritage. Then he was hired to carry out projects for the Muscogee-Creek Nation in Oklahoma. The rest is history. Richard is the Tribal Historic Preservation Officer for the KVWETV (Coweta) Creek Tribe and a member of the Perdido Bay Creek Tribe. In 2009 he was the architect for Oklahoma’s Trail of Tears Memorial at Council Oak Park in Tulsa. He is the president of the Apalache Foundation, which is sponsoring research into the advanced indigenous societies of the Lower Southeast.

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    • It is interesting that the same things were done to the Canadian archaeologist who found the 24,000 year old occupation of a cave in the Yukon to what I experienced in 2012 during the Mayas in Georgia Thang. No one in Georgia ever gave me a chance to present the Creek Migration Legends or the Maya words in the Creek languages.

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  1. jesstowns@gmail.com'

    Personally I think the question of what the first group of people to settle the Americas was should be put on hold until we’ve discovered and compiled a lot more evidence. It’s possible that we may never be answer to that question reliably. There are many groups of humans that could have come to the Americas and it’s quite possible that people came here from numerous other places before the Vikings and Columbus. Trying to fit the evidence into a preconceived overall narrative is an agenda, not an honest attempt at finding truth.

    As for the research into Beringia, we should continually add the findings in this area to the rest of the evidence, keep proceeding until enough small pieces of the overall puzzle are reliable enough that we can then try to hypothesize larger pieces of it. IMO, you’re one of the researchers currently doing the best work in attempting to compile and understand the evidence involved in the peopling of the Americas.

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  2. 5card678919j@gmail.com'

    I found your ideas to be very interesting The evidence is compelling. With that said I believe that N America has been the melting pot since the day after the first Sabbath. Numerous groups of people have been coming and going from here since time began.

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    • jesstowns@gmail.com'

      “The day after the first Sabbath”, that’s poetic. I guess that could imply that “god” created humans on the first day of his second week on the Earth project. I suppose it’s possible that humans originated much earlier than currently believed, perhaps when North America was still just a part of what is referred to as Pangea. Personally I’m still taking the position that the question of when humans started out, both in the Americas and in general, is not knowable for certain at this point and I’m working my way back in time with the evidence as it arises. One thing I’m fairly certain of is that it’s not looking good currently for mainstream anthropology’s narratives concerning these subjects.

      BTW, your post “THE WATERCRAFT OF THE CHONTAL AND ITZA MAYAS” from today is particularly enlightening and helpful for my research. So thanks, you’re saving me much time, I’ve been making great progress recently and mostly all I’ve been doing is reading your posts along with those of a few localized facebook research groups. Oh, that America Unearthed episode from 2012 you posted the link for is brilliant. I can see why you and Scott have been getting so much flak from the keepers of the false narrative.

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      • Scott called me on a Sunday morning in October 2012 to tell me that the lab at the University of Minnesota had found a 100% match between the attapulgite in a specific mine in Georgia and the Maya Blue stucco on a specific temple in Palenque. The INAH in Mexico had only given him a Maya blue sample from one building. I had assumed that the probability was very small that the attapulgite from one mine would match a single building. Georgia has the largest number of attapulgite deposits in the Americas. The Maya Blue could have come from another mine. However, I was sworn to secrecy about the 100% match and so had to sit silently as the Georgia archaeologists hurled their insults.

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  3. markveale@hotmail.com'

    Richard, Clearly primates preceded Man on this planet and so did Reptilians by millions of years. This whole nonsense of Man evolving from Primates was created by University types that have had lots of evidence of that people made boats going back to the Neanderthal days (600,000) years ago and made it here in boats now counted back to 130,000 years.
    615,606 men were counted that stood far back from the Mountain of GOD in the land once called “Nod” now called the Sinai. And God created a mist and watered the whole “Face” of the ground there with a Mountain given 2 names and created a male and female then GOD created eve. A 1 2 creation known in every atom now? 3 black and circular marks in that first verse in the Torah. GOD Bless…

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  4. jwvwork@gmail.com'

    As a child, I was taught through oral tradition that our people migrated from what is now call south and central America to what is now called North America. It still makes sense to me because the origins of the The Three Sisters (corn, beans and squash), and the continued cultural relevance and their domestication by our Indigenous ancestors follows that same migration route.

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  5. RUDMINJC@GMAIL.Com'

    No genetic evidence that Clovis came from western Europe. I lean heavily toward Pacific coastal hopping. The idea that there are no suitable predecessors for Clovis in northeast Asia seems mistaken, to me. Japan had thin, pressure flaked bifaces, and a couple or few have been found near the Amir. A possible source lithic tradition for both Solutrean and Meadowcroft may be 25kbp Streletskaya in the Urals, which added thin bifaces to an otherwise Gravettian tradition.

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    • Here is the thing John. The most recent genetic work at the University of Copenhagan is finding that the first people to inhabit northwestern Europe after the glaciers receded were from Central Asia. True Indo-Europeans did not occupy Ireland until the beginning of the Iron Age.

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  6. syuxtun007@gmail.com'

    It looks the the ancestors of The Native Americans started out in the Americas or Beringia, and spread out from there to populate East Eurasia and West Eurasia. Also if Homo Erectus or Neanderthals were in America then Native Americans could evolved from them. NAs and East Asians are not closely related to each other and broke away 36,000 years ago, and then broke off with the Malta people 25,000. NAs have been in the Americas far longer than 13,000 thousand years. The reason that the scientists cannot figure out how the Americas we’re settled, is that they continue to put a cap on the migration of the NAs into America, when there are older sites all over the Americas , North and South. They are screwing the picture up right out of the gate.

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    • I agree with you Normandie. There seems to be a lot that we don’t yet understand about North America’s past . . . like why would the Algonquians, Shawnee, Muskogee-Creeks and Cherokees use the Irish Gaelic word for “people or tribe.” My ancestors, the Apalache-Creeks and Itsate-Creeks, either used the pre-Gaelic word for tribe, Kora, or the Itza Maya word for tribe, te. Thank you for contributing your information.

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  7. jamesrhodes666@msn.com'

    Over the past years I have been reading a great deal of translated documents from ancient Egypt, Babylon, and Sumerian…I see a direct link between the Egyptian god Thoth and Quetzalcoatl originating in the Lake Titicaca region immediately after the deluge…the “new man”, some alleged descendants of Cain were given the godly mandate of traveling to “all corners of the earth…before returning” to their new homeland. Some went South, others into our (now) AZ-NM-NV-CO-CA areas… It was written that the descendants of Cain could be immediately identified as they could not grow facial hair (the mark of Cain). This is what I read and believe-I don’t justify, defend-I just share as there is no reason for these documents to lie or deceive.

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    • Cassiehall0017@gmail.com'

      We are getting some interesting banter here so how about one more angle proposedl— no beard? Sounds like a genetic trait which would fall to a genetic ‘marker’; We should try for the Mark–er of Cain? Sure, in this case, maybe propose the A/A genotype or A/G genotype on Chromosome 3, OXTR gene, rs53576

      [PMID 26178189OA-icon.png] A common oxytocin receptor gene (OXTR) polymorphism modulates intranasal oxytocin effects on the neural response to social cooperation in humans

      *rs53576 is a silent G to A change in the oxytocin receptor (OXTR) gene. Studies have demonstrated that individuals with the G allele are more empathetic, feel less lonely, employ more sensitive parenting techniques, and have lower rates of autism (discussed in [PMID 20724662OA-icon.png])

      The blog Not Exactly Rocket Science discusses that Americans with (G;G) tend to be more sensitive parents, more empathetic and less lonely than those with an ‘A’. In a Korean population people with (G;G) were less likely to seek support from their peers.

      [PMID 20724662OA-icon.png] Culture, distress, and oxytocin receptor polymorphism (OXTR) interact to influence emotional support seeking.

      [PMID 19934046OA-icon.png] Oxytocin receptor genetic variation relates to empathy and stress reactivity in humans. In brief, people with the G;G genotype were better able to discern the emotional state of others than those who carried the A-allele (blog summary found here). The study encompassed 192 participants of both sexes and mixed ethnicities. The study subjects underwent a number of tests to determine their level of empathy and stress reactivity. They found that G;G individuals performed significantly better on the behavioral measure of empathy and were 22.7% less likely to make a mistake on the “Reading the Mind in the Eyes Test” (RMET) (a behavioural measure of empathic accuracy) than A;A/A;G individuals (P = 0.005). Similarly, G;G individuals reported higher levels of dispositional empathy than A;A/A;G individuals: mean (SE) = 3.69 (0.06) and 3.53 (0.04) for G;G and A;A/A;G, respectively (P = 0.025), and were less affected by stress (as measured by their heart rates): mean (SE) = 72.1 (0.54) and 78.4 (1.19) for G;G and A;A/A;G, respectively.

      [PMID 19376182] Associations between the oxytocin receptor gene (OXTR) and affect, loneliness and intelligence in normal subjects.

      What about A/G?! Bad news, even just one copy of A to replace one G from a normal social empath’s G/G gentotype is sufficient enough a change to bring about indistinguishable similarity of clinical significance equal to the 2 copy inheritance of A/A genotype which, again, correlates to a predisposition for antipathy/ anti– social behaviors throughout life.

      [PMID 21896752OA-icon.png] Oxytocin receptor gene (OXTR) is related to psychological resources.

      [PMID 22372486] The role of oxytocin and oxytocin receptor gene variants in childhood-onset aggression.

      Was this biblical Cain ‘marked’ by the alteration of a single allele which, perhaps, occurs in his descendants as both A/A on the proposed gene when any two carriers of the A allele unite, and thereby live now with equal effect whether genotyped to a single OR double A swap allele inheritance? Does their abnormal inheritance in cognitive-behavioral patterns mark them outwardly and formerly mysteriously at a genetic level a being like the biblical Creator would forever ‘see’?

      It is a stretch, just wanted to chip in after a busy week…enjoyed the email and read of comments already here.

      Hope the great POOF community is well and enjoying this weekend so far!

      Cheers!

      Cassie

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  8. iwg42@hotmail.com'

    Hey Richard,
    Well the earliest date for hominids in the Philippines has been moved back to 709,000 years ago. Animal bones with cut marks has been found in a soil layer reliably dated to over 700,00 years ago. Here is the link http://www.wthitv.com/content/national/481519921.html?ref=921
    The earliest date for evidence of man in North America was the bones found in California about a year ago dating from 130,000 years ago. I have not seen an update on this find but scientist that have seen the bones are sure the marks on them were made by humans. I think more evidence needs to be found to answer the migration question.
    Thanks for the wonderful articles!

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  9. msquixotegoescountry@gmail.com'

    Hi, Hi, I wonder if any professional you network with has researched the relation between the Mayan ruins in Guatemala and Mexico and Angkor Wat in Cambodia. I have been very interested in the subject of a connection between Asia and Latin America, and the history of the Mayans is a related factor. Puerto Ricans, who are descendants of the Mayans, are not taught that the natives in Puerto Rico were Mayans and of Chinese ancestry. So, here I am traveling around Asia, and notice that people from Taiwan and other Asians look like Latin Americans, and culturally, they are also similar. In my blog, I talk human laboratories, and also about how deceived we all are, and that Latin Americans are really Asians. When I was in college, I was a translator for a really nice professor who was conducting research on sugar cane fields in Mexico, and my involvement seemed to threaten a few. The mystery of Mexico is a recurring one in my life. http://puertoricolaboratorioshumanos.blogspot.com/2018/05/los-latinoamericanos-proveemos-de-las.html

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    • The oldest mounds in the North America are in Savannah, GA and Watson Brake, LA. The Bilbo Mound in Savannah dates from around 3545 BC. The original settlers of Cuba, Hispanola and Puerto Rico came from the Southeastern United States. Maya refugees and traders probably did settle on the coast of Puerto Rico after their civilization collapsed. The Maya Culture began around 2400 years before Anghor Wat. Unless Maya traders traveled to Southeast Asia after many of the Classic Maya cities were abandoned, there is no connection. Indigenous Americans are NOT descended from the Chinese. In fact, there is a strong possibility that Indigenous Americans will be labeled a separate race within a year. Our genetic make is quite different that the Han Chinese. Many assumptions were made in the past before

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